Find Your Strong Podcast
Encouraging women to find what FEELS good in terms of food, movement and their bodies. Let's challenge the wellness w*nkery and start a new conversation.
In each episode, Christine and Ela discuss their thoughts on diet and fitness fads, speak with fabulous guests about their experiences with finding peace with food and movement, and interview experts so that they can share their insights and knowledge with you.
The hope is that together we can change the narrative around nutrition and exercise and help you find YOUR strong!
Find Your Strong Podcast
Advocating for Strength at ALL Sizes, with Coach Damali Fraiser
What an episode! Another week, another dream guest!
This week we have Damali Fraiser, Kettlebell Instructor, Nutrition Coach, and Author passionate about exploring fitness from an intersectional lens. *
Damali talks about the time after her debilitating ACL injury, which effectively ended her Muay Thai career, when "that unstable, big ball of metal, helped me one breath at a time, one step at a time to really bring back stability into my body.. "
Together we go deep and don't shy away from difficult conversations.
We talked about:
- Damali’s story and how she came to find the non-diet space and specifically the Kettlebell Community as she spoke about in the anthology: "Deconstructing the Fitness Industrial Complex."
- The racist roots of diet culture and how we as coaches can help dismantle diet culture as opposed to becoming part of the problem.
- How it is so important to de-centre ourselves and be in community with people from diverse backgrounds.
- Damali’s real love of kettlebells and how they are such a versatile piece of kit that can be used anywhere and everywhere.
Through our conversation Damali recommended the following books as key reads for learning about the racist roots of diet culture:
'Deconstructing the Fitness Industrial Complex', Damali herself wrote chapter 11 on the body as a site of oppression and freedom.
'Fearing the Black Body,' by Sabina Strings, '
The Body Liberation Project' by Chrissy King and
'So You Want to Talk about Race' by Ijeoma Oluo, amongst many others.
If you'd like to contact Damali or work with her....Start your journey with Kettlebell Basics or join her weekly email series Kettlebell Curious
You can connect with Damali on her website liftoffstrength.ca, on Instagram @Damali.Fraiser, TikTok and o
Are you simply fed up with hating your body? Are you stuck in the 'earn and burn' cycle when it comes to exercise?
You are not alone and your body is NOT the problem
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So welcome to another episode of the find your strong podcast. This week we have Damali Fraser and I am beyond excited to welcome her and to chat to her today. I have followed Damali for quite some time. I have learned from her. I have attended some of her classes and I think you are going to really love this conversation.
So Damali, welcome. Oh, thank you for inviting me on. It is always great to be able to like, connect more deeply with folks, uh, from the internet streets. Thank you so much. I'm really grateful. Yeah. We were talking a bit before we hit record about, I was saying, I hope you understand my Irish accent. And Molly was saying that she had, I think two or three Irish kettlebell on her Coaches Corner cohort.
We get our wine, don't we? You all do and bless your hearts. So I, I really do appreciate it. And it has been like a unique experience for me. I learned from each cohort of Coaches Corner, of course, from all your expertise, but just having folks, kettlebell.
You know, interest and love. I love to see the kettlebell community growing all across the globe. So that has been just an amazing thing for me. Um, on that note to Molly. So I, in preparation for this podcast, I was going to say I bought the book, but I'm really struggling to read at the minute. So I bought the audio book.
Um, deconstructing the fitness industrial complex, which you contributed a chapter to chapter 11, which was called the body as a site of oppression and freedom. And the words, so I think I must have listened to that chapter several times because your story really moved me. It really. Just touched me and I just wanted you to kind of as much as you're comfortable with share a little bit of that story and kind of tell the listeners what brought you to the non diet space and specifically the kettlebell community.
Oh, wow. Yes. So, um, thank you for listening, reading and listening to Deconstructing the Fitness Industrial Complex. So yes, I was a contributing author to that anthology and I I recommend any fitness professional, um, just in general to, to take a look and listen to the stories. The more we share our stories, the more we can grow together as a collective and into community care, deeper into community care.
Um, you know, one of the things that I. Like took away from that experience is like to be seen and to appreciate being seen and being heard in cases where a lot of times we don't, we don't feel seen. My mission is really to make kettlebells accessible to everybody, everybody I always capitalize body, it's all bodies, diverse bodies of the human race.
Um, you know, I want people to understand that. The human experience is an adventure and you don't need to lose weight to go on your next adventure. I truly, um, love kettlebells, but I found kettlebells from a passion for Muay Thai. So that is something that Uh, folks will get a little bit of insight into not my like whole journey as a competitive, um, fighter and athlete, Muay Thai fighter.
Um, but I spent three years competing in Muay Thai. Um, and I was in my thirties. I came into fitness like pretty late in life. Not that I didn't have any fitness experience, but my fitness experience was pretty inextricably linked to diet culture. It was get in shape girl. It was slim fast. It was, you know, like anything to lose weight, get my body back after having, um, two kids.
Um, so being a mother and wanting to, you know, raise my daughters, it really did, um, come become important. That I would be able to find longevity, but I also wanted to find joy in in my movement and in my body. And kettlebells is really what helped me do that. Muay Thai, I love it. I will never, um, ever leave that space in terms of community.
I would love to see more women and girls, femmes in Muay Thai. But, um, it was after tearing my ACL and then rupturing my Achilles in 2018, um, that through that recovery and really healing from those traumas, um, start to explore, you know, what trauma I had in my life and how that had impacted my relationship with my body, um, with my eating and kettlebells being that.
Unstable, big ball of metal, um, helped me like one breath at a time, one step at a time to really bring back stability into my body and reconnect with my body in that way, becoming stronger, um, stronger in my voice, stronger confidence, but also like physically stronger to be able to manage all of this.
Crap in the world thing. What can I say on this thing? I don't know. If there's anything you want. I'll have to be careful. I don't know who's listening, but um, yeah, all, all of the, all of the weight of the world is what I'm trying to tackle. And it's not the weight on my body. That's the problem. Um, I absolutely love that.
Now, when I was, um, listening to your chapter, um, in the book, you talked about, is it Muay Thai? I'd not heard of it actually before you wrote about it. And, um, you mentioned that there was an emphasis on thinness or thinness was valued in that community. And did you feel when you kind of entered that community, did you feel that pressure immediately or was that something that kind of developed as you trained?
Yes. Um, it was not immediate, but I think it was still underlining. So unfortunately, I think the fitness world is consumed with thinness and weight loss. And when it comes to trying to market and sell a business and fitness industry, there's very few areas where I can say like they've, they've been able to master marketing without weight loss.
Right. Oh, You're welcome. Muay Thai, um, is definitely, um, deeply rooted in Thai culture, um, and I mean, it's physical education in Thailand, but there is a huge amount of fatphobia in that, in those cultures as well, um, I wanted to you know, I was exhausted. I was a young, you know, mother with two young kids, and I really wanted to find new energy, um, for myself daily.
I was accustomed to, like, getting up in the morning, putting the kids into the car seats in the car, they're still asleep, carrying them into the daycare, they're still asleep, handing them over to the daycare as soon as it opens, getting on to commute to work, coming back home, picking them up just in time to hopefully not get late charges and then getting home and pretty much, uh, passing out on the couch, like exhausted.
So not able to give. of myself the way I wanted to. Um, but I started to look for martial arts for my kids. And the gym owner at the time said, Oh, parents can train for free with their kids. and
accessibility, right? Yeah. So I jumped in and Now, when I started hitting things was like, whoa, you didn't know you needed it, but yes, just at the end of the day, he didn't, I didn't realize how much I needed to express and to sweat. Um, and so I started to train, but yes, there was this very strong intention of like, Oh, I, I can now Um, get my body back.
I can now, uh, lose weight. Um, and the, like, immediately of, of, um, positive reinforcement. It is very deep in that community. So you walk around the corner, if you've lost 10, five pounds, 10 pounds, someone's going to be like, Oh, you look great. I can tell you're working hard. Oh, I can tell that you're like, so your changes physically are rewarded tenfold.
And I never intended to. compete and fight. But that is really where like my passion and the underlining, um, goals started to get intertwined. It wasn't really any more about the weight loss journey. Cause I had lost weight, but now it was about a performance journey. That performance was always, um, also tied to like, Oh, well you'd be better if you were at a lower weight class.
Okay. Mm-Hmm? . Oh, you would, you'll be faster if you would drop a few pounds. Wow. And you know, you're always on a weight cut. Always on a weight cut. Because I was fighting maybe once a month, so it was always like, I'm on a weight cut. That's how I'm trying to get to my next fight. But it's really just an excuse for like, disordered eating behaviors and, um, extreme exercise in order to, to maintain the standard of thinness.
And, you know, when you got, when you did tear your ACL, et cetera, and you were out, you weren't able to compete anymore. Was there a point where you suddenly looked back and realized how disordered that pattern, the patterns that you'd got into were? Or was there, was it more of a gradual realization? Was it?
Um, I started to realize that in the midst of it all, because, um, I wrote once, you know, about an experience where I was on a weight cut and having breakfast and my coach was there and I put like opened a package of ketchup and put it on the side of my plate and that was a cheat. That was a cheat and to be aware of the fact that like even putting anything colored on my plate was a cheat and then to be surrounded by a community that was like, you know, so determined to help me stay on my goals, but the method and approach to it was to encourage and enable those disordered practices.
So it was completely okay for me, um, to do anything. in order to meet those weight loss and, um, weight class goals. That's really tough. I remember in the, in the chapter, you were also talking about the idea of getting your body back. And I find this such an interesting concept, isn't it? That we want to look like we've not had children.
So that's the messaging that's coming from diet culture. Let's look like you did before when actually. It's okay to look like you've had a baby because you have. And it's, it's, you know, it's still some, I know I see it very differently. I'm like, why are we trying to look like we've never had children? It doesn't make sense, you know.
Well, this is where, like, we start to take the shades off, as I call it, in diet culture and we start to see things a lot more different, uh, differently, um, because it's the same practice there is in, in the aging world. It's anti aging, right? Yeah. It's been quite a few years that, you know, I say I'm pro aging.
I don't want to look like I'm 16 or like I never aged a day. I have experienced this world, this life, um, and brought with me the knowledge, the joy, the humanity of it all. And I'm not interested in reversing it or going back. Like I want to, uh, be fulfilled and feel, um, well in my body. Right. And for me, that means managing pain.
That means, um, managing my mental health. Like there's a lot of things that are priorities for me and I have the privilege of prioritizing. But in no way is it because I want to eliminate, um, the experience of this world. There's no way that I would want to, like, limit the experience of carrying my children and raising them.
And, um, that is what is practiced over and over again to, yeah, prove that you, like, look like you've never had any kids before. It is very, it's very strange. I, um, in, in the book, you also mentioned, you talk about your body feeling wrong at one point, and you talk about how thinness is equated with health.
You know, you're thin, you're healthy. And then as your body started to change, you were in that position. What am I now? You know, am I not healthy anymore? Cause I'm not in a thin body. And it's, you know, reconciling that I think is so hard for a lot of women. Um, because naturally your bodies, whether you, you know, incur an injury or you're hitting perimenopause, your body will naturally change through the years.
And it's, you know, the messaging from diet culture is. Unless you fit in your jeans that you did when you were 21, you know, you're not fit, you're not healthy, you're not in shape and inverted commas. And I don't know, I wonder if you could talk to that, how you started to accept your body as it changed and when you were able to kind of realize its strength.
Can be at any size, you can advocate for strength at all sizes and ships. Mm-Hmm. . Um, yeah, I mean, I think through some of my recovery and my injuries and just under, like coming to really, um, know and feel what it's like to, to have less. So I was temporarily disabled in that regard. Physically, um, I was in a hard cast for almost three months after my Achilles rupture.
So I was on crutches and not weight bearing. So when you, um, when you have that kind of experience where some of your capabilities are removed and then therefore your capacity shifts, I came to understand, like, I adapted very quickly. My backpack was my best friend and kept my lunch. You know, I was, you think you can just grab a water bottle and go for a walk, but you can't if you have crutches in two hands.
Yeah. So where, where do these things go? You start to adapt and you start to, to realize that I'm experiencing the world in a totally different way. My body has changed, but I'm not for that experience. So I think like, I'm like really feeling like that change is inevitable and change is living change is humanity.
And so why do we like value devalue certain changes, but value other changes. So the reduction of our body was a change that is highly praised, highly valued, but the increase in our bodies is devalued. But that is going to some, some more deeper discussions around, you know, how racism has impacted, um, how we create, um, body weight.
in the world and where the motivation, motivational factors came in to us trying to push people towards being smaller, which inevitably is to all of our detriment. Nobody is benefiting from, um, these kinds of rules and standards at all. And, you know, on that note, uh, things like the BMI, you know, that was founded not even by a scientist.
Um, and it was also based on white European males, you know, and it was never meant, it was meant never meant for an individual and You know, I think it's, it's still not known about, the racist roots of black culture are still not spoken about, not known about, and I think there's an awful lot of work to be done.
And I think books like Deconstructing the Fitness Industrial Complex are a really good place to start. Yeah, absolutely. Fearing the Black Body, Belly of the Bee. The Body Liberation Project. Yeah, and I think we could put some really good resources in the show notes, which would be absolutely brilliant because those books that you've mentioned are so key to just gaining a little bit more understanding, um, and doing the work.
Um, on that, I wanted to talk to you about something really, But to me, it's interesting when I started in the non diet space, I kind of jumped on the bandwagon of normalizing normal bodies. I thought this was Kind of, that was an approach which was, you know, serving people. And, you know, I think you've got the embodiment of body positivity by thin white women.
I think that has been spread across, uh, social media. And I think at the point when I realized that me talking about body acceptance when I'm in a... a thin white body was kind of not okay. And I needed to stop centering myself in that discussion. Um, I've certainly got a long way to go and a lot to learn.
And I just wanted to ask you, what can we do as coaches to help dismantle the toxic fitness and diet culture rather than adding to the problem? So I know that's a big question. But how can we actively support fitness for all bodies? I'm not become part of the problem by going, you know, I'm, I'm a thin white woman over here. Who's not being trolled. If I talk about non diet fitness, I don't get negative comments and you know, I don't, I don't struggle with that. I just, and I can put words out there and I'm not feeling the. Um, the negative feedback that so many people are, um, and I really just want to speak to that to Molly and just wanted to talk to you about that and how you feel about the images that are presented and social media, especially.
Um, well, thank you. Thank you for, you know, sharing, um, your growth and your, your experience as well as like being vulnerable about it because it's, these are the ways of having. those crucial conversations, those tough conversations. And I think, um, that is a big part of what needs to happen. Being in community with folks who are outside of yourself and actually, um, being in community where there's a space of belonging.
Um, in some cases, like I, I, I disrupt because I'll be like, it's, it's interesting to me if someone is saying like, they're, you know, an advocate for inclusive fitness, but all of their friends are white. Yeah. All their, all their close friends are white. Or even if they have like a person of color, who's their spouse, they're still pretty much.
Surrounded by white people all of the time. So getting us to be in community and being intentional about it, like when I started Coaches Corner, it was an opportunity to create a container where coaches and like minded fitness professionals who especially love kettlebells, but have been primarily taught in spaces that are surrounded by white bodies only.
Yeah, so now we can intentionally draw in diverse bodies, diverse perspectives and talk about the challenges that we encounter when we do not design and program with those diverse perspectives as the voices that you hear first and foremost. Yes. So taking yourself out of the equation and saying that you know you don't want to center yourself is a great place to start as self reflection but it's also like how are you choosing to get more perspective and more insight deconstructing the fitness industrial complex reading those types of books and getting those So, um, I think that the stories is also another place to start, but mentorship and connection with people, elders, people with that lived experience and expertise and drawing on it and acknowledging it as expertise.
Yes. Yes. And that's the, you know, what you said, that's just so, so important. And I love that you have that container, um, that you've created that sort of space, um, which, you know, I'm really hoping to join soon. Um, if it wasn't at one in the morning. Yeah, so we're looking to see how we can, we better serve the community because yes, I'm in Eastern time and Canadian.
For folks who are curious, I'm in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. I was born in Canada, but my family is a West Indian, Jamaican, St. Vincent Barbados, so shout out to the Island people and, um, you know. Right now being, um, once every three months that I host the cohort, we're on the last cohort of the year. The next one will probably be March for level one, and then level two will start again in January.
But it's really, you know, important that you have voices that can That you can speak honestly to that you can share yourself and that you are okay with saying like, Oh, I fucked up. Like that wasn't the best. Or I, I, I did this, I created harm, but now I can do better. And then, you know, asking the people who you've harmed, how can I do better?
What is it that we need to do to change together? And oftentimes it's just like, Letting them be heard and letting them be seen. Um, I had to tell the story quickly, but you know, I had a conversation once with a, um, someone on social media. And again, you know, they were sharing about toxic, uh, fitness and sharing accounts, different accounts that talk about toxic fitness, but every account they shared were white people.
Every one of my first accounts were white people. Questions to them was like, you want to dismantle toxic fitness, but you're only sharing the perspectives of white white people. So are you not enabling more systems of oppression with that because now you're creating a platform where people are learning from your account, but they believe these are the people who are the authority.
on how to dismantle toxic fitness. So you see, you're building it in to your system because you just don't have the perspective and you don't notice your own bias. And they were really offended that I, that I made that. The conversation, I opened it. They took it as a personal offense, an attack. But that's again, like, because we're not in that container, and we're not in relation, and we're not feeling connected in community, you, it's hard for you to receive that message.
But if you will come into community with people who are Black, who are fat, who are disabled, you know, like, who are queer, and you, and you can know, then when you say, speak to me, I know you're coming genuinely from your heart. And I can say, Hey, Christine, you know what? This is one of the ways that you can make this better and you can take those steps.
And you know, I really value what you're saying here. I work for a platform called Body Image Fitness and it was started by a white woman, um, who is in a larger body. Um, but she had a mission to really include. All bodies. And you know, she has gone far and wide to find, um, teachers of color, disabled teachers, teachers in larger bodies.
And, you know, I'm, I work for the platform, but I'm kind of the token blonde, white, , you know, and it's, you know, and a lot of the, um, promotion, she doesn't use me. I'm very pleased about that because that's. what the platform should not be about me. And it's, I'm not, I'm not, the last thing I want to do is go look at me.
I have so much to learn. It's, I am not even at the beginning, I am scratching the surface. I've got an awful lot more to learn. Um, but I value her so much because she has really worked hard to try and build a platform for people where there is a safe space and where is that community and where it's not all thin white women fighting about diet culture.
Um, You know, which is, is prevalent, certainly in the UK. I'm not sure what it's like in Canada, but goodness me, Damali, I really appreciate you being so open with me. I really do. And thank you for that. And before, before I let you go, I'm going to chat a bit more. I would love to talk about kettlebells. Um, I did a class of yours online and it was so hard.
I loved it. I absolutely loved it. And I've learned so much from your technique videos, et cetera, et cetera. Um, they've helped me so greatly. So for anybody who's not done kettlebell training before, talk to me a little bit about the instability. You talked about that earlier, but how the instability of the kettlebell can help you feel more stable and strong in your body.
Thank you. Yep. Talk to me a bit about Kelp because you actually say you've come into in the last, was it five or six years? I've been teaching kettlebells for 10 years. 10 years. Yes. I started teaching, um, in Muay Thai. So I was looking for a means of training, functional strength training. Um, and as a fighter, it was, it aligned and resonated because I needed something that was fast and efficient.
I was already spending two hours, say in a Muay Thai class. With running and all these other performance elements for my sport, but I was also an older athlete. And so I wanted to try to help prevent injury. I wanted to try to get stronger, um, as a competitor. And so that's when I found kettlebells. It's very powerful, very explosive movements, but also the ability to train in something that was low impact, that I wasn't adding on additional high impact to the kilometers of running I was already doing and to kicking into all the other things that are very high impact.
So That is where kettlebells became like a passion of mine to like really understand the nuance of how to teach kettlebells and what the kettlebell could do to augment performance for any strength athletes, any sport, really any daily active life activity. But, um, you know, kettlebells became more and more.
of a guiding principle and embodiment of my own strength again after my injuries because you can't really kick continue to kick a bag when you only have one leg. Yeah. So I was able to like start to move through things like utilizing our bottoms up or holds and carries understanding the handle and understanding the nuance of that offset center of mass and exploring that but also just designing the way I teach the movement for diverse bodies.
So not expecting them to just ignore it. Like if you have big boobs, what does that mean? Like, what does that mean for where the trajectory of the kettlebells going to go? So I've spent probably the last five years, um, just redesigning how I teach for diverse bodies, but I've been teaching kettlebells for 10 years.
And I absolutely love kettlebells. I believe they're great because you can use them anywhere. You can take them to the park. You can put them in your back seat. You can do anywhere. And strength training is just so important for building strong muscles, bones, uh, sleeping better at night, relieving some stress.
So kettlebells every day, all day. Do you remember in COVID that you couldn't get a kettlebell? You couldn't get a kettlebell everywhere. They were sold off. Everybody was looking for a kettlebell. And since then, you know, I used to go to the gym and do the barbell stuff, but since COVID kettlebells are the only thing that I do, because it's that idea that as you say, you can do them everywhere, anywhere.
So I've got a whole load of kettlebells in my house. It's just love. Um, and I love the fact that. They're just so versatile and I can use them for rehab. I've, I can use them. I've got some clients who've got weakness in their wrists. Again, we go bottoms up with that and just do holds and the amount, the difference it makes is incredible.
But also if you want to get a sweat on, you can get those ballistic movements in and you can get those swings in and. Snatches and all of that good stuff, but I would like to utter a word of caution to people. I find certain moves like the swing, they're quite, they're not beginner moves. And they're not, so I see people swinging in many ways that I want to go, please stop, please stop.
But, um, I think it really, and that's why I would, um, Suggest, and I would advise people to go to a coach such as yourself if they are wanting to start with kettlebells, because it's not just pick it up and swing it. There's a lot of technique to it, isn't there? Yeah, it looks, it looks very simple and easy, but it's a lot more challenging than you expect.
It hits your nervous system quite hard because of that instability. Um, so it's recruiting all those stabilizer muscles, it's doing so much at once that And then that brain body connection of like just coordination and understanding what the trajectory or the path of the kettlebell will be. So I highly recommend people get a kettlebell coach.
Uh, there is no personal training certification that includes, um, the kettlebell specifically as a skill and tool. Um, but how you apply the kettlebell is nuanced. Yes. And you want to think of it like even in dumbbells, you want to learn how to to lift well before you lift fast. Yes. You hear ballistics and grinds or different words people use, but all they're talking about is like kettlebells.
Um, when you move them quickly at a lot of momentum and they're It's a ball and a handle, but a level, a lot of momentum. And that extra force is something that you need to be able to manage and understand and predict in order to handle it well. And that is what a kettlebell coach will bring to you, is that they will be able to understand the path that the kettlebell, um, and guide you while you're trying to learn how to build your F foundations.
That's very good advice. Very good advice. I would like to ask you what your favorite kettlebell move is. Oh, it's always going to be a snatch. It's always going to be a snatch. Um, it's funny because I, you know, I, I learned the snatch because of Muay Thai. It was just this explosive power punch. Um, and it was vertical instead of horizontal where you would be with jabs and, and, and crosses.
But, um, I absolutely just love the power. and the freedom and then also that grounding sensation when you snatch a kettlebell, you at the same time as feeling like you could have flown away, but yet you're so rooted. Oh, I love that's beautiful. That's just beautiful. He said, I love a snatch too, but my favorite is a Turkish get up.
I just love the Turkish get up. It just brings me joy. I don't know.
I get it. It's also very grounding, rooting and floor work is like another part of kettlebell work that just allows you to, to really feel and move in your body. I, I generally call it just the get up. I don't know who, who decided it was. I appreciate it too. Well, Damalia, it has been a pleasure. I have to say before I, before I let you go, um, I call my kettlebells, my little kettlebell family.
I'm a bit obsessed with them. And I have lots of different colors because it just brings me a bit of joy when I see all of the range of colors. So, um, I will stop talking about kettlebells now. Um, but I want to say a massive thank you for joining me today. And I want to ask you where can people find you?
Where do you hang out? What have you got coming up? We've got, we talked about Coach's Corner briefly. For people that can't join live. I think you've also got an online option. Yes. Yes. So, um, Coaches Corner is under like big growth and evolution. So look out in 2024 for lots more opportunities in a hybrid.
approach for those people who are looking to be certified as inclusive kettlebell coaches. Um, so you can find my website is lift off strength. com. I am on Instagram the most in terms of social media. So you can find me Damali dot Fraser, or you'll find me on tick tock at lift off strength. So I am on tick tock there.
Uh, I'll probably be a lot more like funny on TikTok, just like entertaining myself more than anything else. Um, yes, look out for what you're, if you're interested in coaching kettlebells. Um, my, my foundations course is level one. And then right now there's coaches corner express, which is, allows you to, um, go through the level one techniques all online without having the, uh, in person requirement, but definitely look out in 2024 for, for more ways that you can become an inclusive kettlebell coach.
And for those people who are just wanting to train, like I said, um, you can. Get fit for your next adventure with kettlebells. And I have a 12 week program called kettlebell basics, um, which goes through crawl, walk one, run three phases of just getting you to get accustomed to the kettlebell. I believe the body is a community and the closer you are in community with yourself, the better you will be at being in community with the rest of humanity.
So I, I just invite you all to get kettlebell curious. Try it out. And, um, for folks like yourself, I'm just so happy to see more and more, uh, people who love the kettlebell and want to talk about making it accessible to all bodies and that we just keep growing this community together. Amen. Thank you so much, Damali.
I really do appreciate you joining me. Lots of love to you. Bye.
