Breaking the Binge Eating Cycle, with Milda Zolubaite

Ela was flying solo for this episode, speaking with the wonderful Milda Zolubaite, who is a Registered Nutritional Therapy Practitioner and Disordered Eating Specialist. Having struggled with disordered eating and binge eating herself, Milda is passionate about helping people find a way to break the binge-restrict cycle. 

In this episode we talked about 

- Milda's story and how she found a way to heal her relationship with food and eating

- how binge eating is not about lack of willpower

- the role of restriction in binge eating

- how there is a complex interplay of emotional, environmental and psychological aspects that can influence our food choices and eating behaviours

- the amazing 'Break the Binge Cycle Summit' that Milda has organised (see info below)

Break the Binge Cycle Summit: a FREE four day event (28th April - 1st May 2025) to learn practical tools and strategies to help you stop binge eating and find peace with food -  with presentations from 29 amazing experts and tons of resources

Click the link here to sign up (just a note from us: we would encourage you to get the upgrade pass so that you have ongoing access to the presentations, incredible bonus content from speakers at the summit, and more!)

Milda is an MSc Nutritional therapist and Disordered Eating Specialist and over the last 8 years she has supported hundreds of women and men in finding food and body peace. She's a firm believer that there is no "one size fits all" approach, hence she uses a mix of nutritional, psychological and behavioural interventions to help people reach peace and food freedom. She is also excited to host the Break the Binge Cycle summit at the end of April 2025
To find out more about Milda's work and to get in touch with her head over to her website, or follow her on socials:

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Please reach out if you would like some support with your relationship to food OR movement. Ela currently has limited spaces for Intuitive Eating coaching and if you'd like to reconnect with movement, contact Christine.

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Transcript

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Ela Law: Hello, everybody, and a very warm welcome back to our podcast I'm very excited to welcome the wonderful Milda today. Milda is an Msc. Nutritional therapist and disordered eating specialist, and she has over the last 8 years supported hundreds of women and men in finding food and body peace.

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Ela Law: She's a firm believer that there is no one. Size fits all just like we are here at the pod, and she uses a mix of nutritional psychological and behavioral interventions to help people reach peace and food freedom. She's also really excited to host the break, the Binge cycle summit at the end of April, and we will talk a lot about that later on in the pod. But to start off with a very warm welcome, Milde, really lovely to see you, and thanks for spending some time with me this morning.

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Milda: Hello, and thank you so much. It's really lovely to be here. Thank you for the invite.

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Ela Law: Absolute pleasure. I'm flying solo today. Usually we've got Christine here as well. She can't come today, but I'm really excited to have a chat with you about binge eating in particular. And then obviously the summit, specifically, because that is something that you are super passionate about. And I'm also playing a tiny, tiny little part in. So I'm very excited to talk about that. But to start off with Milde.

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Ela Law: tell me a little bit about how you got into this field, and in particular the sort of specialization in binge eating. What's the story? There.

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Milda: Of course, that's a great question. And I think, as many professionals working in this field, I've had history with binge eating and disordered eating myself.

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Milda: and I guess, insures to put

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Milda: 1015 years of my story into a few minutes, and I started. It all started with dieting, so I was probably around 12 when I started counting calories, which is really quite early, as people say to me at the time, it felt quite normal, because that is what was happening around me, and there was dieting in my family from early days, as I remember, and while everything was sort of

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Milda: focused on health and improving health. There was still dieting, and those messages around, body and I grew up in Lithuania, which at the time Soviet Union left when I was 3 years old.

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Milda: And so that meant that there, you know, we have this whole country that's trying to find its identity and rebuild systems. And and really just

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Milda: start from scratch almost, and that

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Milda: how I experience that is

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Milda: My parents, my family, my people around me, were all trying really hard to make it quote unquote, right? So there was quite a lot of perfectionism that was coming through in all areas, you know. You have to try harder. You got 9 out of 10. Why was it the 10? Right? So it's and all these messages that were toxic. But we didn't quite know they were, because it was just coming from this place of doing better. And so

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Milda: really. So I was dieting for quite a few years, and and really just I guess it wasn't to a place where it was very

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Milda: and

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Milda: damaging, or you can't, you can't really. I can't really say that. But it wasn't. It was disordered at the time, and then, at the age about 1618, I was. I started academic rowing, which is quite a competitive sport, and I was doing it a little bit more. Well, I wouldn't say professionally, but definitely, more competitively. And so we had competitions and sometimes countrywise competitions. And

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Milda: I was in this lightweight category. But I was 1 kg away from it, and so in the lightweight category you would have less competition. So it made sense to remain there. But what it took me to do that was a lot of dieting again, and this is the time when I heard about, you know, you could just eat all that stuff and then punch right? So this is when

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Milda: those toxic messages came in, and I would find myself, you know, restricting, then binging, and then purging as well, sometimes not consistently, but it started to come in.

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Milda: And so

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Milda: Around 1819, I moved to to the Uk. Where I studied so a lot of these behaviors continued, but I guess the

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Milda: when it really gotten to quite a rough place, I would say, is, when I graduated. And then I went to work in a 2 Michelin starred restaurant in London. Super fancy! But so I was actually a wine expert, a somelier.

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Ela Law: Wow!

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Ela Law: I know that's quite a lot more about that.

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Milda: Yeah, so interestingly. And that was a really difficult environment, because, as you can imagine, so much about perfection doing things right, no mistakes allowed. But at the time I also moved to London, which was completely new to me. You know, coming from a city that probably had

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Milda: 500,000 people to 8 million inhabitant City.

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Milda: I was alone. I just broken up with my fiance at the time.

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Ela Law: Oh, God!

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Milda: There's quite a lot of, I guess, emotional triggers that I didn't, that I pretty much ignored at the time, and so you can imagine that. You know I was working 60, 70 h per week in a basement in a hot uniform through the summer. My social life was

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Milda: it didn't really exist, I'd say. And so this is when binge eating really started to take over, because there's also you can imagine there's quite a lot of delicious food left afterwards, and once you're tired at the end of the night, all you can think about is okay. I'll just bring this home, or else I'd start eating while I'm there, and then I just binge. And of course alcohol would be involved. So there's quite a lot of triggers as you can hear, so.

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Milda: This was probably the time when binge eating was really taking over my life.

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Milda: and it's there was some purging involved as well, but I would say.

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Milda: Binge eating was really one of the main things for me.

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Milda: And after a while I realized, Okay, something needs to change there. After a massive binge. I realized there is a problem. I need to do something. And so I seeked help. But because I didn't have very much finance at the time. London is expensive. At the end of the day.

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Milda: So what I started doing is I did work with a therapist, but it was more general therapy. It wasn't really eating disorder therapy, and while it was really useful for me to look into some family dynamics, into negative thinking patterns, perfectionism, I was still binging, and I didn't understand. You know I'm doing all this great work. Why is it still happening? And so at the same time.

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Milda: and my parents were seeing this nutritionist, and my mom said, you know. Let's just have a few sessions, you know. Maybe you'll feel a little bit better, a bit more positive. And I thought, gosh, I know everything there is about nutrition.

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Milda: Yes, we do.

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Milda: And why do I need to see someone? And actually it was super super helpful, because

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Milda: without being too restrictive or giving me any diet, rules, or anything like this. She helped me see a few ways how I can become more balanced.

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Milda: And it was just a few things, you know, having a regular breakfast drinking enough water, having enough vegetables like really basic things, I'd say. But it was quite transformational. And I started to see. Okay, my mood is related to food.

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Milda: There's quite a lot of things binge eating, starting to started to reduce. And I started to walk away from

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Milda: working with wine and towards nutrition. And so my recovery from binge eating really took probably 3 to 4 years with a lot of self-help, some therapy with lots of spiritual practices, Yoga, and all sorts of things which I know could have been quicker if I had the finance and the right tools and the guidance.

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Milda: But I know that's just part of the story. And I think this is, in short, this is why I do what I do. Because I feel like, okay, I've got the tools. I know. What can help people make some shortcuts and feel a little better in the process.

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Ela Law: Wow! Thank you for sharing that. I mean, apart from obviously, not everyone listening would have grown up in Lithuania, where there was that that extra sort of.

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Ela Law: you know, when you moved away from the Soviet Union you had that kind of extra trigger for perfectionism and for trying hard and for achieving, and not everyone will have worked as a sommelier in a Michelin Star restaurant. There were so many things that I think a lot of listeners will resonate with. It's that striving for being perfect. It's that emotional aspect

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Ela Law: of binge eating that emotional trigger. And you mentioned triggers quite a lot. And it's interesting because a lot of what you just shared sounded like there was a lot of restriction.

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Ela Law: even though when you think of binge eating, you don't think of restriction you think of over consuming right. But tell me what your view is of the role of restriction in binge eating, because that came out very strongly that there was a lot of restriction in your mind.

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Milda: Yeah.

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Ela Law: What is your view on how important restriction is in the development of binge eating disorder and in binging behaviours.

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Milda: Such a good question. And absolutely, I think there is still, of course, a lot of stigma around eating disorders, disordered eating, because very often even people who come for me to me for help, they may say, Oh, you know my partner doesn't quite understand this, or my family doesn't understand this, they just say, Why can't you stop, or why can't you just eat less? And very often there is this common misconception that you know it's just about willpower.

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Milda: If we if we just

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Milda: try harder, if we just try to control it more, if we restrict, if we have less, everything is going to be sorted. But very often this is part of the

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Milda: problem. Well, rather a big part of the problem. And so the restriction, whether it's mental, for example.

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Milda: but also physical, that you know, mental restriction very often does translate into the physical and wanting to control our bodies. But also okay, I need to do better, and so on.

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Milda: And binge eating very often is this biological response to restriction. Very, very often. Yes, of course, there are different scenarios and different cases for people. But 2 things I see about binge eating mainly is because of restriction and a way to regulate and cope. Often both of these are in the picture.

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah, it's never just one thing. It's usually a complex mix of of different things. And I would totally agree with you on the restriction is a funny one, because it comes. It's sneaky, isn't it? We sometimes think, oh, we're not restricting. I have the same thing. I've got clients who say, yeah, but restriction isn't my issue. I eat too much.

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Ela Law: And like Whoa, Whoa, okay, let's pedal back a little bit, and then just see where restriction might be sneaking in where you don't necessarily notice it. You mentioned earlier, you know, when you worked with a nutritionist just eating more regularly.

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Milda: Yeah.

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Ela Law: That in and of itself can be transformative, because when you restrict and you skip meals, and then you can't stop eating anything that's not nailed down in the evening. There is something going on there, you know, and the mental restriction, I think, is a really important part of it. It's like? Do we think of foods as good or bad? Do we think about? How do we talk about food? How do we talk about our bodies? Where is the restriction sneaking in that we might not be aware of.

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Milda: Absolutely. And I had the very similar

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Milda: thought pattern. You know. I thought, well, I'm not restricting because I am having all the food groups. Yeah, right? I'm not restricting carbs. I'm not restricting fats.

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Milda: But let's say my breakfast would be very small, which would then trigger a binge later in the day, or there would be specific foods that are, you know, unavailable, forbidden, let's say.

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Milda: There would be. You know all my friends are having a pizza. I'm being good.

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Ela Law: Right.

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Milda: And I'm not going to have any. But then, when I get home, I'm going to have this and that and another thing, because actually that craving for something.

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Milda: You know, when we talk about more intuitive eating, it's like, Okay, I had this craving and or this.

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Milda: I wanted something.

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Ela Law: Hmm.

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Milda: My body gave me the signs, and I said, No, and that's a way of restricting right? And I said, No, and therefore I'm going to have probably

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Milda: 3 times more food, because I but I'm not going to have the pizza, whereas actually, if I had the pizza in the 1st place, and just sat with it, and had it slowly and really been present with it, it would have been very, very different.

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Ela Law: Absolutely absolutely. Yeah. There's a similar kind of thing with what I call air foods, where you just say, Oh, no, I can't have the chocolate, and then you have 80 rice cakes and 50 crackers, and feel completely stuffed. But you're still craving that thing that you wanted. In the 1st place.

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Milda: Because there's no satisfaction factor, right? I remember having this

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Milda: the same thing. Oh, I want some chocolate, but I can't have any right. So I'm just going to have this chocolate flavored diet yogurt, and then I'm going. I would end up having 5 of those, and then feel completely. Oh, my God, you know I just had all these calories, but actually, I'm still not full. And then I would end up eating chocolate and ice cream from my flatmates and everything else. Right? So

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Milda: restriction has a huge role to play in binge eating. And I think talking about the binge restrict cycle itself, which is quite an amazing.

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Milda: I feel illustration and a visual that really helps people understand right? Because very often it starts with some sort of restriction. And whether it's oh, I'm just going to be good today. Right? So I'm just going to have a small breakfast. I'm going to have an egg with an apple, and then I'm going to have, you know, some salad that doesn't actually have any substance to it just leaves and a bit of chicken, you know, from from

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Milda: as an example, you know I'll have the Caesar salad with no dressing and no croutons right.

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Ela Law: Is the point.

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Milda: It sucks the joy out of it right.

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Ela Law: Absolutely.

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Milda: And then.

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Milda: you know, you binge on everything in sight. And what happens after? Actually, we make a pact. It's like, Okay, I did this horrible thing.

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Milda: I'm so disappointed I'm so ashamed. So what I'm going to do instead, I'm going to try harder, and tomorrow I'm going to be good, and and I'm going to make sure I have very little breakfast or no breakfast at all to compensate. And actually what that happens then it triggers another binge. And we just don't understand that. What's really interesting for me about this work is that over time, you know, people would come to me and say.

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Milda: there's an issue with Binging, and I just need to sort out the evenings when it's happening. But actually, when it's it started already, earlier in the day, or a couple of days ago. Right? So it's just important to not isolate and think. This is the problem. Let's look at the whole picture. What happens in the day.

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Ela Law: Absolutely. Yeah. I think the whole picture is key here, and I think part of that picture, as you mentioned earlier, is also sort of the emotional trigger. So obviously, when your binge eating had its heyday, you were emotionally, quite vulnerable. You were away from home. You had just split up with your fiance. There was a lot of sort of emotional stuff going on as well. So I think, being aware of what is going on emotionally is also really important. Would you agree.

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Milda: Absolutely and very often. What I see is that binge eating may start because of restriction, but also it may start because of something emotional or inability to process emotions or cope with emotions stress. It could be a few triggers that are in place, but as it continues right.

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Ela Law: Sorry, Milda. There was a there was a little snag.

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Ela Law: Oh, yeah.

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Ela Law: we had just had a little delay. I'm just going to turn my Wi-fi on the phone off. Can you say that again? Sorry.

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Ela Law: Yes, of course.

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Milda: So when what I see when people start

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Milda: binge eating right? So there may be restriction. That's in place. Very likely restriction is in place. But there might also be emotional triggers, emotional events, sometimes trauma, but not every time. Right? So it's important to know, because people often come and say, well, I didn't have any major trauma. Why am I binging right? So

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Milda: it's it's important to understand that it can be very different for everyone. But why it continues.

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Milda: it's often yes, it could well be, you know, inability to cope with stress, not having the tools to

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Milda: process emotions, emotional resilience, and so on, but very often then it becomes more of a habit.

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Milda: more of a habit that's also fueled with restriction. And I guess, coming back to that emotional part, what I'd say

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Milda: a little bit from my story. What I shared about you know, I had all of these emotional triggers that I didn't have

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Milda: ability to process, but also tools. I even remember my dad calling me after this breakup I had, and it was quite a traumatic breakup, really, and my dad was saying, Oh, how are you doing? And yeah, I'm fine. Everything's fine, you know. And I kept telling everyone it's totally fine.

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Milda: So now, looking back, it's like, Okay, it wasn't fine, but I also didn't have a way to speak about it, and I thought that it's better if I just don't go into it, because it's too much. Yeah.

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Ela Law: Yeah, it's too scary to kind of confront those emotions. So it's almost like you're telling yourself everything is fine.

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Milda: Yes, and you know, we know where that goes. So. But but what was interesting, what's interesting is working with people.

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Milda: They often have done quite a lot of therapy, and people that I work with. They've done some therapy, quite a lot of therapy and say, Okay, I'm still binging. I think it's about the food. Let's let's see what we can do. And it's they've done so much work already that

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Milda: the same, the same was for me. Also, it's like, Okay, I've processed quite a lot of emotional stuff. I understand my patterns better. Why am I still binging? And often is that they just need balance, they need the structure to

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Milda: a foundation, a base, so that they feel confident, resilient. And then, when cravings. So when cravings come from this place of being completely dysregulated. Physically.

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Milda: Then the emotions are overwhelming, too.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Milda: But when someone has got this foundation, and then they start to look at emotions. The cravings are not on autopilot. The cravings are not overwhelming. It doesn't feel like you have absolutely no control. It feels more like, okay, these are suggestions that I now can use all the tools for emotional regulation, resilience to cope with.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Milda: It was a very different way. And sometimes I say, Okay, if that's still happening, let's look at the foundation. And then people

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Milda: can't process it quite quickly, and and binges stop quite, quite quickly, I'd say.

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Ela Law: Yeah, that is so interesting, because I work a lot on sort of things that people look at me like I came to you for food. We're not talking about food as.

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Ela Law: yeah, because food is not the problem. Food is not the issue. Food is something that you use to cope with whatever else is going on. So we need to look at what's underlying what is going on.

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Milda: Oh!

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Ela Law: That's the scary thing, isn't it? But you're so right. You need. You need to come to it from a place of regulation and balance.

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Milda: Oh!

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Ela Law: Because then you feel safer. It feels very unsafe, doesn't it, when you are overwhelmed with emotions, when you're overwhelmed with all of that, and then you have any trigger that leads you to binging feels like, oh, my God, I'm a failure! I can't do this, you know. You know I have no willpower. Those kind of thoughts come in, and then you're back on the Binge restrict cycle right.

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Milda: Absolutely. And and this is a really good point. Yes, it's often not about the food. But what I see is that foods can be a mediator that keeps the cycle going.

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Ela Law: Absolutely.

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Milda: And and this is why, yes, all the I mean those, the emotional stuff, the restriction. It's it's key, and absolutely.

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Milda: You know, also foundational, but I feel that when we put someone in into a good balance physically, then they have more resilience to go into it right? And it's like, Okay, I can now handle this. And actually, when they start to implement small steps, then they start to trust themselves more and trust the process more. And it's like, Oh, actually, maybe I can process this other thing later down the line right.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Milda: Think there's there's a place for everything.

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Ela Law: Yeah, absolutely. I'm going to segue into the break the Binge cycle summit, because I think it leads what we just talked about leads itself really well to talking about about it. You mentioned tools. You mentioned lots of different approaches, lots of different ways of sort of accessing what's going on. And I think what you've put together the break, the Binge cycle summit is absolutely incredible.

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Ela Law: Tell us a little bit about the idea. What's going to happen, how people can access it, and what sort of tools to speak about tools they can expect to go away with if they join the break. The Binge cycle summit.

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Milda: Sure. Yeah. So the break. The bench cycle summit is happening on the 28th of April to 1st of May.

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Milda: and it's a 4 day virtual event that's designed to help people gain more control around food and essentially stop binge eating. And when I say, gain more control around food, it's really not about more restriction being harder on yourself, doing things more perfectly, leaning more on willpower. It's really about finding a way

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Milda: although I know a lot of people will come who may perhaps just realize that there's an issue with binge eating. I know a lot of people will also come because they've been trying to stop binge eating for years, maybe decades. And it's really designed to go. Okay, let's have a look at all these other approaches and all these other ways that we can look at it.

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Milda: or what else is left in your journey that you still need to address. That might be stopping you from completely feeling relaxed around food and finding that food freedom right? So it's for the event. The best part about it is that it's free.

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Milda: Because, just like it was from my own story, I didn't have a lot of finance, and if something like this was available, I'd be the 1st one to register, because I know there are. You know, I'm biased because I've already gone through all the presentations, and I listen to everything, and I've been taking notes in some of the presentations and really seeing what kind of different tools people use and how effective they can be.

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Milda: And so it's we have 29 experts in the field, most of them work with binge eating. And it's really, really amazing, because we have these 4 different days. So the 1st day is designed to. It's

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Milda: to recognize your triggers and to understand what else might be playing a role. So these could be, yeah, regular things that influence binge eating like restriction and dieting.

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Milda: But it's also about other things. For example, Adhd, which is really a hot topic at the moment, also about things like body image, but also boundaries. Right? How do boundaries impact binge eating? And there's also one on perfectionism? So lots of different

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Milda: Now, the second day we're talking about rewriting the script right? So what else?

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Milda: Then we get into day 3, which is packed with tools and strategies. So it's really designed for people to take something new away so that they can start using it today and day 4 is about keeping it up. So I think this one's really interesting and really important for people who have been trying to overcome binge eating for years, because a lot of people would say, Okay, it works for a bit, and then it stops working, and I relapse. And then I binge again.

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Milda: It's really designed to go. Okay, how do we keep it? Sustainable? Right? How do we maintain it?

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Milda: of their expertise and to really get into the essence of what they're trying to share and at least share at least one tool that people can take away and use. Now, it's really designed to be super actionable, super practical.

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Milda: Everyone who's going to listen to one of the presentations will go. Okay, that's really useful. Or I'm going to take this away. I can start doing this. And

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Milda: whoever has. Also, there's there's an option to upgrade as well, which includes an exclusive summit workbook which actually has got journaling questions with each of the presentations, which is very, very useful, because people can work through it, and it also includes loads of bonuses from speakers, and I feel like the upgrade pass is just worth it. Just for that, because I've gone through the the bonuses. And they're quite incredible. So yeah.

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Ela Law: Yeah, I mean, absolutely, I think what makes it so special is that you really looked at all of the different aspects of binge eating. Where are you on your binge eating recovery journey? Maybe you at the beginning. Maybe you've done it for a while, and you're still stuck with something there is really because of the 29 experts that are speaking and that are sharing their knowledge.

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Ela Law: thought processes, different approaches, different aspects of binge eating, and there will be something in every single presentation for everybody to take home. Absolutely. And I think it's just yeah. It's just incredible what you pull together there. I'm super excited. I'm going to be a very small part in on Day 4, when it comes to maintenance. My presentation is about sort of how can you make peace with food? And how can intuitive eating help you with that? And

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Ela Law: yeah, I'm super excited to be part of this, and I'm also very, very excited to hear the other presentations, and and have a little look at the bonus content because it does sound incredible, and even for practitioners like us, we are specialized in certain areas, and there is so much to learn. So you know, whilst this is aimed at people who maybe struggle with binge eating. I would say, this is also probably a really good reason

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Milda: Absolutely. I've already seen actually, quite a lot of practitioners signing up.

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Ela Law: There you go!

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Milda: I was quite surprised. Yes, but but absolutely. And you're saying, you know, a small part, but I feel like every speaker has got such a huge role in this, because they all like you said they have a different way of looking at things a different aspect, and I think.

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Milda: look into intuitive eating. And I think a lot of people have a lot of misconceptions about it. So I think the presentation that you have it's really about looking at one piece of it, one part of it, and saying, Hey, well, this is how it's important to make peace with food. And these are the little tools you can start to implement people. Then don't get scared. Okay, intuitive eating means I just eat whatever I want. And that's okay. It's actually not bad at all. Right? So.

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Milda: Yeah. So I think this is going to be an incredible resource. And.

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Ela Law: Yeah, so am I. So am I. So it starts next Monday. How can people sign up Milda?

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Milda: So I I assume they will have a link.

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Ela Law: Yeah. So I will put a link in the show notes, and then there will be lots of information available through that link. And yeah, it's all. It's all online. So is there? Is there a recording of the presentation? So if someone signs up and can't actually sit through the 4 days will they get a recording of the presentations.

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Milda: Absolutely. Yeah. So because we have quite an international audience, there are a lot of people in the Uk. A lot of people in the Us. And everywhere in between. The timings of the presentations are, I think it gets released on 3 Pm. Uk. Time, and I think, 10 Am. Eastern time. So that way people have a whole day and an evening. But actually, the presentations are available for 48 h.

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Milda: And what so one day is available for 48 h, and I know it might feel like, Okay, that's quite a lot. I have 8 presentations on day one and 7 on other days, so I'd say, choosing the ones you want.

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Milda: And then watching, they're they're not long presentations. They're probably 20 min to 40 min. Most of them are around half an hour, so they're like, I said, really actionable design for people. And to get to the point essentially.

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Milda: But, like I mentioned, there is an upgrade pass which allows people access ongoing. Right? So if you think, okay, actually, you know, this is such a resource. I don't have time, or I'm going away. I'm working. I won't be able to do all of the presentations, but I know how effective this is. So in that way I really suggest to upgrade, and then you have, you know, access to presentations without overwhelm.

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Ela Law: Absolutely. And I think that that's a really important point to have access to it, because it's not a quick fix. It's not something that you can just flick your fingers and and it's done, and having having access to the resources for a bit longer, so you can really take your time and work through it, and and digest. Excuse the pun and process everything that that might be relevant to you, I think, is really important, and you know you mentioned right at the

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Ela Law: that. Finances are sometimes tricky, and this is such amazing value. You know, if you think about how much therapy costs, how much work.

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Milda: Talking.

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Ela Law: Someone one-to-one is, this could be a really big impact for a very, very, you know, small amount of money. Really, to be honest with you.

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Milda: Absolutely. I think it's a fraction of the price, really, not to mention all the bonuses from speakers, which are some have got entire courses donated so.

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Ela Law: Amazing.

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Milda: Really amazing. Wow! And

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Milda: I like the point that you know. You'll have the access to it for a period of time. Because you're right, you know, some people might say, Okay, actually, I really need to work on rewriting the script, which is day 2. I really need to work on my mindset before I can implement some of the other tools. And that's not going to take probably a week that might take months. So then, later, you can go. Okay, I'm ready to implement something new. Then you go to day 3 or day, one or day 4. Right? So it's really

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Ela Law: Absolutely absolutely. And it's great to have the option of doing, you know. No, I haven't got any money. I'm just going to do the free stuff, or to just upgrade and actually be able to take a little bit longer over everything and and really process it properly. Absolutely amazing. So, Milda, thank you so so much for spending some time with me today. Really, really been great to talk to you and thank you for sharing your story, which is always

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Ela Law: really lovely for our guests to actually share. This is this is what my experience is. This is what I've gone through, because it will resonate with so many people. And yeah, I do appreciate that. So thank you for that. Anything else. Before we say goodbye that you want to share with the listeners.

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Milda: Lots of things. But I think, for now I think what's what's important with binge eating

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Milda: People say to me that you know I just need to gain more control. I.

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Milda: in all areas of my life. But I just can't crack this thing with eating. Yeah. And so I just want to say that it's very likely not because of

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Milda: And another thing is just, you know, to try to start seeking help right? Just to look at some resources. And then I find that the right resources start coming.

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Milda: Yes, but of course the the summit is a good place to start, because, you see a lot of different approaches from nutritionists, dieticians, but also from psychotherapists, clinical psychologists, intuitive eating practitioners. Right? So it's like all areas, all different areas which someone might go. Actually, you know, I really don't need to work on boundaries or perfectionism. But I really need to work on body image. And there's a person who does that right? So.

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Ela Law: That's like.

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Milda: And and important to mention that each, even in the presentations that are available for free, each practitioner will offer some gift.

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Milda: something that goes alongside the presentation that people might go. Actually, I want to know a little bit more about intuitive eating. I'm going to download Ella's resource, and I'm going to get started. And so I find that that already is a huge resource.

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Ela Law: Absolutely. And thank you for mentioning that because I think that's really important for people to know. That is that they're not just getting the presentations, and even if they don't upgrade, they will still get loads of access to incredible resources for absolutely free, and and then can kind of make up their mind, where do I want to focus my attention? What do I want to work on? And also just the thought that I just had. It's like, you know.

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Ela Law: a lot of practitioners offer free discovery calls where you kind of meet and greet, and you talk about, you know. What do you want and what can they offer? This is 29. Discovery calls in 4 days. You can really pick someone that you feel like. Actually, I think I could click with that person. I think I'd like to work more with that person. So it's a really good opportunity to kind of see? Well, what area do I want to focus on. And

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Ela Law: is there someone there that I think I might be able to work with? If you want more support? So yeah, brilliant, fabulous, Milda. I will put all of your contact details in the show notes as well. So if people want to get in touch with you, work with you follow you on socials, hop on your mailing list. They can

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Ela Law: say, Hi!

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Ela Law: Pardon, or just say Hi! Or just say Hi! Yes.

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Milda: Yeah.

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Ela Law: So yeah, I'll do all of that. And then, yeah, very excited to see you over the next week, and let's break the binge cycle,

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Milda: Yes, thank you so much for having me. Yeah.

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Ela Law: Been a pleasure, and I love that cat in the background. People aren't listening, can't see it. But tell us the name. What's the name of your cat?

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Milda: Oh, gosh! Her name's Loma.

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Ela Law: No man.

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Milda: Lithuanian. It's a type of witch, right? So we have types of witches.

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Ela Law: I love it. I love it. I love how she's sort of been peeking in and out and in and out. Sorry people listening. You need to hop onto the Youtube video to watch it.

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Milda: That's it.

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Ela Law: Okay.

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Milda: And.

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Ela Law: Thank you very much, and good luck with everything. I'm sure it'll be a massive success.

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Milda: Thank you so much.