Summer Bodies, Heatwaves & Unlearning Diet Culture

If you're based in the UK,  you'll know that at the time of recording it was SUPER hot here.  Hotter weather can often bring up body image concerns, that may have kept themselves hidden under the layers of autumn, winter and spring.  

Key Takeaways:

• Summer can bring body image struggles back to the surface — especially when we’re wearing less and comparing ourselves to unrealistic images online.
• Feeling uncomfortable in your body doesn’t mean you’re failing at body acceptance; it means you’re human.
• There’s a huge difference between living in your body and constantly viewing it as an object to be judged.
• Seasonal eating is normal — craving lighter foods in hot weather isn’t automatically “being good.”
• Diet culture can make even intuitive choices feel moralised or tied to weight loss.
• Movement, cold water, and getting outside can help reconnect us to our bodies instead of staying trapped in self-criticism.

Transcript

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Christine Chessman: Hello, hello, how are you all? We are hot today, aren't we, Ella?

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Ela Law: Yeah, hot and bothered, absolutely. It's the hottest day of the year so far.

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Christine Chessman: It's ridiculous.

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Ela Law: But it hasn't stopped us from recording an episode for you guys.

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Christine Chessman: I know. And if you're feeling hot, we… you have our sympathies. I'm not good with the heat. I don't know anybody who's brilliant with the heat, but… I don't know, I just…

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Christine Chessman: It's like, it's… Brighton, I live in Brighton, south coast of England, and it is this thing that used to get sunny, but be cool in the shade, and then the evening it would be cool, and you could sleep and all. And now, if there's heat…

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Christine Chessman: Excuse me.

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Ela Law: Okay.

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Christine Chessman: It's like, literally, heat wave is here, you can't sleep, you can't do anything, you just sweat profusely.

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Ela Law: Yep.

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Christine Chessman: uncomfortable for the whole time, and then it's freezing again. Yep.

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Ela Law: It's very strange, isn't it? And I think we were talking… actually, I went out for lunch with my husband, who's just taken the week off, and he picked, for some people, probably the right week, because it's actually.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah.

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Ela Law: the weather. And we were talking about how things might shift in the UK as well, because if you go to somewhere like Spain or Italy, you know, everything is shut over lunchtime. You know, they're closed shop at, say, 11.30, 12 o'clock, and then open up again at… and live in the evenings.

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Ela Law: Whereas, where we went, it was so busy, and everyone was sitting outside in the sun having their lunch, and I just thought, wow, we haven't quite

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Ela Law: won out yet, we… in the UK, have we?

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Christine Chessman: Well, I don't… I am not a sitting-on-the-beach-in-the-middle-of-the-day person.

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Christine Chessman: No, no, you go… absolutely not. After 5, I'm a 5.36, I'm a beach person, so… Yeah. Yeah, so…

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Ela Law: Definitely.

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Christine Chessman: We're very lucky… I'm very lucky to be able to sit on a beach, so…

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Ela Law: We are very lucky, yeah, I wish I had something to cool down in, but, nothing.

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Ela Law: Right here, other than a monkey river.

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Christine Chessman: But we're… we were…

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Ela Law: them.

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Christine Chessman: Oh, a what river?

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Ela Law: Oh, just the Mankey River, because I don't know what they put in there, it's always brown.

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Christine Chessman: Oh, groom me.

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Ela Law: I know, I know, I got paddle boarding on it, but I wouldn't swim in it. I would just… No. No, it's a bit sus.

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Christine Chessman: It just… you have to move to Brighton. That's just the only way.

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Ela Law: I think I might, yeah. I might not have to.

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Christine Chessman: Anyway, with the hot weather, now this is interesting, because it is… I went running with my daughter this morning, and I wore these little, kind of, capri snag tights.

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Christine Chessman: Like, you know, bottomless… bottomless? Footless? Bottomless.

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Ela Law: That's a whole different story.

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Christine Chessman: That's report.

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Christine Chessman: I'm thinking bottomless brunch, or bottomless breakfast.

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Ela Law: Oh, well, that's a good idea.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, so they were cut off, Cadbury, fruitless sites.

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Christine Chessman: And, Snag are really good, and they're size-inclusive, so that's…

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Ela Law: They're brilliant, yeah.

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Christine Chessman: Because they don't kind of stick into your skin and all of that. But my daughter asked the question, why are you wearing tights when it's so hot? And to be honest, because I feel weird running in my skort, with my sort of jiggle, jiggle of the legs when I'm running. And this is, you know, it's a natural body image concern.

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Christine Chessman: You know, and at some point in the summer, I go.

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Christine Chessman: Fuck it, and I do it anyway, but at the beginning of summer, Text me a minute.

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Ela Law: I think you're not alone. I think it takes a lot of people a minute to kind of adjust from being all covered up to bearing a lot more of their bodies. I think that is a real… is a real tricky transition for people.

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Christine Chessman: But I think it's because of what we're subjected to, is the images that we receive. You don't see the cellulite, you don't see any bad lighting, legs and bad lighting, you don't see how normal legs move. So you think, I shouldn't look like that, you know, I should have smooth, you know, even though I'm 50, my legs should look like I'm 20, and, you know, it is that thing of…

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Christine Chessman: Is it, you know, just being confident enough to go, doesn't matter, I'm just gonna do what I wanna do. And it just, for me, it always takes a few months, like a month, maybe, and then I'll wear whatever. But it's just the beginning, I'm like, I don't feel particularly comfortable.

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Christine Chessman: Because I like that feeling of, like, I wear, sort of, supportive tights or leggings, and I like that feeling of being held in my body, and I think it brings things up for people, because…

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Christine Chessman: you know what I mean? It's that thing, here's what a body should look like, yours is not quite there.

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Christine Chessman: That moves around at… And it, you know, it's…

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Christine Chessman: And you're going… you're trying to go, no, but I accept my body as it is. So you… you know, I'm in that space where I've done the work, and I will free my legs at some point, but it is… it's still work, Ella.

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Ela Law: Mmm.

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Christine Chessman: It's still… you still have to talk to yourself.

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah. And every year, it's the same thing, isn't it? Every year, we have to kind of go through that transition again.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, and how do you feel? Do you feel the same, or are you completely at ease in the summer?

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Ela Law: I'm not at ease because I hate being hot.

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Christine Chessman: I've done.

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Ela Law: But, yeah, I don't know. I think as I'm getting older, I'm feeling it. I wore short shorts the other day, because it was so hot, and usually, I'm a little bit like, so, bizarrely, in my 20s, I wouldn't have been seen in those.

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Ela Law: shorts. They're… they were… they're… half the size of what I used to wear. I used to wear.

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Christine Chessman: Wow.

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Ela Law: the Bermuda length.

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Ela Law: And now I'm a lot less worried about that, so I wear shorter shorts now.

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Christine Chessman: Right.

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Ela Law: Yeah, I… I… I… I think I'm mindless, and the transition is taking me less time now than it used to, but it definitely was a thing for a while. You know, the pale skin, the jiggles, the whatever we are told isn't attractive. Yeah. That's a real… that's a real thing, as you go from being covered up into

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Ela Law: not wearing much, and I think for us at the moment, it's, like, from zero to hero with the temperatures, isn't it? It was, like, woolly jumpers.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah.

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Ela Law: of weeks ago, and now it's literally, can't… can't wear…

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Ela Law: anything that, you know, you're sweating anything. It's just… Well, you know what?

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Christine Chessman: No, I had a real, sort of, real-time moment, where I was walking down to the beach, sorry, very privileged position, living by the beach. I was walking down to the beach, and I felt a bit jiggly. I was like, it's okay, that's what legs do, it's fine.

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Christine Chessman: And… but I was aware of my body. I was very… looking at myself, this is great at how humans work, you can look at what you're thinking. I was looking at my thoughts, and I was thinking, I'm very aware of myself, and my legs, and all of that. And then I went down to the beach.

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Christine Chessman: Got my cosi on, I mean, it was on, took my dress off, walked into the sea, well, you know, hobbled on the rocks, and.

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Ela Law: Oh, yeah.

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Christine Chessman: And screamed a bit, because it was absolutely freezing.

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Christine Chessman: And it was, like, a different thing. When I came out, I swam in the freezing cold water, I'd got in. By the time I came out, I felt completely different. I got changed on the beach, and then walked up, and it was that… it's almost that visceral… that feeling of that sort of shock of the cold, and you… it almost shocks you into your body.

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Ela Law: Hmm.

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Christine Chessman: So then I was in my body in the sea, very much, and as I was walking on the stones, which was really painful, and then trying to do the Mr. Beam getting dressed under the towel without the side boob and the, you know…

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Ela Law: I love it!

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Christine Chessman: And then I forgot my bra, and everything.

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Ela Law: So you jiggled home.

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Christine Chessman: Jiggles home, you know, and it was funny, I was

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Christine Chessman: very much in my body, rather than being aware of my body. Yeah. And it was like, I could not…

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Christine Chessman: It made me just want to write it all down. I'm so glad we were doing the podcast, because that is something I would say to anybody who's really struggling, feeling self-conscious about their body. Do something, whether it is that… that sort of put cold… ice cold water on your wrists, or lift something heavy, or do… or push a water, or do something that makes you feel in your body.

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Ela Law: Mmm…

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Christine Chessman: it can make the biggest difference. So the rest of the day, I've actually felt much more in my body than…

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Ela Law: That's interesting.

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Christine Chessman: looking at my body, if you know what I mean.

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Ela Law: Yeah. Do you feel like, that works with the cold only, or do you have other things that work for you that get you into.

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Christine Chessman: No, it's… I find it's like a flow state. If, like, running, I can get it running, if I get into a groove with running.

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Christine Chessman: Doing heavy kettlebells, or balancing, doing balance, sort of single leg work with kettlebells, where you just have to focus on what your body's doing, and it's…

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Christine Chessman: I find that anything where you really have to focus, you're lifting something heavy, or you're getting that shock of bicycle… I'm not… I'm not sort of saying, oh, wellness culture, everybody needs to do the cold plunge in the saunas, that's not what I'm… I'm saying at all. I'm just…

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Christine Chessman: I think it is something that's really valuable when you get really stuck in that…

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Ela Law: Mmm.

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Christine Chessman: Looking at yourself, and…

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Ela Law: Mmm.

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Christine Chessman: Being aware, especially when you're wearing less clothes.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: I don't know.

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Ela Law: It snaps you out of it, doesn't it? I think sometimes we can get so in that thought spiral that we need something to snap us out of it, whatever that might be. It could be cold water, it could be exercise or movement, or lifting something heavy. Just something to just get us out of that and give us a break from…

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Ela Law: from that.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, and it is, you know, we are… it's that… I keep going back to Stephanie and Michelle, but it is that living body, objectified body.

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Ela Law: Hmm.

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Christine Chessman: So walking to the beach, I was in my objectified body.

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Ela Law: Hmm.

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Christine Chessman: And then, once I was in the sea and getting changed and all that, I was in my living body, and that felt so much better, because then I was thinking, oh, am I comfortable on the beach? And I was having a nice coffee, and I was just…

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Christine Chessman: thinking of myself, and how I felt, and how the stones felt under me, and how… do you know what I mean? How the water felt, how…

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Christine Chessman: just mid…

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Christine Chessman: And you were very aware of the signs around you, of the sea, of the horizon, it just suddenly… the world opened up from being this, look at my legs, look at my cellulite, look at, you know… Yeah. So yeah, that was just my little experience I wanted to share.

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Ela Law: That's lovely. Thank you for sharing that, and I think that… I feel like that is a very…

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Ela Law: a very cool example of being mindful and being in the present moment. And people think of mindfulness sometimes as this thing where you have to sit on a cushion and meditate, but that's meditation. That is different, and you even don't have to sit on a cushion when you meditate. But mindfulness, I'm a massive fan of

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Ela Law: everyday, sort of, micro-moments of mindfulness, where you literally are present, where you notice, as you said, the stones under your feet, the cold water on your skin, you know, what does it feel like to drink an iced coffee through a straw. You can be mindful in any of those moments, and feel your body in those moments, and I think that is just so, so important, because

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Ela Law: That's one of those things that snaps us out of overthinking, right?

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Christine Chessman: 100%. 100%. And it's… it's, you know, and if you're listening, if you have any techni… or things that you use yourself, or things that you do that you find snap you out of that.

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Christine Chessman: Of those moments where you feel stuck, and you just, you know, suddenly you… you know, it's those things like you're in a changing room, and things don't fit, and you get really into that almost, ugh, panicky moments. What… what brings you out of that, you know?

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Ela Law: Mmm.

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Christine Chessman: But, anyway, I wanted to also talk to you about… we were talking about salads and things.

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Christine Chessman: our time, so we…

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Ela Law: Huh.

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Christine Chessman: being in your body, we're intuitive eating counsellors, so it's all about that sensing your hunger, your fullness. In summer.

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Christine Chessman: I think I tend to be a bit less hungry.

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Christine Chessman: Just because it's hot.

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Christine Chessman: And I want to eat more fruit, and more fresh, light salads, and I don't want stodge, whereas in winter, I love stodge.

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Christine Chessman: Do you feed Zoom?

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Ela Law: Oh, 100%. I think… I think it's one of those things that I… I think is a very, in-tune with the seasons kind of eating.

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Ela Law: Because in the winter, you want stuff that warms you, that fills you up, that makes you feel cozy.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah.

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Ela Law: In the summer, you're less likely to want to eat

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Ela Law: stuff that makes you even warmer than you already are, so you're looking for things that are cooling, that are bringing your body temperature down, that aren't too heavy in your stomach, because your body's working really hard not to overheat, so it doesn't really want to spend an awful lot of time digesting, like, a dumpling stew. Yeah. So, you know, so I think… I think that when we're talking about

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Ela Law: the heat bringing up things. I think that can also bring up some… Interesting thoughts for people, because…

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Ela Law: diet culture tells us we should be eating salads all year round, because that's healthy, and I'm using air quotes here for anyone not watching the YouTube video.

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Ela Law: And in the summer, we… we kind of want that kind of food, so there is… there is a potential of us feeling a little bit virtuous about the food choices we make, whereas they could, in theory, just be intuitive food choices.

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Ela Law: But I think as soon as we sort of bring too much thought into it, we can very easily moralize our food choices in the summer, if indeed we are people that prefer to eat a salad instead of a burger and chips, for example. I'm just using examples here.

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Ela Law: But if you choose the salad, it's very easy to feel a bit more virtuous about it. And I feel like…

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Ela Law: we want to get people away from morality around food. So, it's just an interesting thing that may happen to anyone listening, and I just… I don't want to say, don't do it, it's wrong, I'm just saying, just be curious about what comes up for you when your body's actually telling you that you would prefer

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Ela Law: the sorbet.

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Ela Law: or the salad, or the smaller plate, because your appetite has gone down. Is there a part of you that feels, oh yes, I might just also lose a couple of pounds?

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Christine Chessman: Yeah.

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Ela Law: thinking, oh, actually, that's interesting, my body doesn't want the hot curry, or the burger, or the pizza. So, I don't know, do you get that? I mean, you said in the summer, you kind of don't want to eat as much, and I'm the same. I'm often not that hungry, I'm quite happy with…

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Ela Law: I don't know, a Greek yogurt fruit and stuff for dinner sometimes, because I'm just not… I'm just not fussed about having anything warm to eat.

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Christine Chessman: And do you not get hungry in the summer, then?

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Ela Law: I do get hungry, I do get hungry, but I'm… I… I mean, this is just me personally, and it might be different for other people. I tend to crave different foods, and I tend to not be as…

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Ela Law: hungry. I can get very hungry, and I can get very hangry as well, quite easily. And if I don't get food, I'm not a joy to be around. Whereas the rest of the time, obviously.

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Christine Chessman: That's a way, yeah.

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Ela Law: Yeah, so yeah, I definitely notice the difference. I want cool things, I want things that are refreshing and quick, I don't want to cook for long, and…

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Christine Chessman: No, that's something that I'm struggling with as well. I don't want to be in the kitchen cooking for all…

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Ela Law: No, you don't want to, because it's, you know, if you cook something over a hot stove, it gets even hotter. So, yeah, I'm just curious, and it would be fantastic if anyone listening to this has got some experiences, too.

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Christine Chessman: Do you… are you mean, and it's almost like people are using it as an excuse, in a way? Oh, it's summer, so I…

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Christine Chessman: I don't have to…

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Ela Law: It could.

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Christine Chessman: Well, what do you mean?

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Ela Law: Exactly, exactly, because the way that we eat in the summer might be more akin to what we're being told we should be eating all year round, which is less, smaller portions.

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Ela Law: salad-y kind of thing. I keep going on about salads, but it is a typical summer food, so that kind of thing is diet culture. And I think someone who's maybe on the intuitive eating exploration and working into… working towards being an intuitive eater might find that quite challenging, because.

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Christine Chessman: AM.

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Ela Law: You know, they are maybe making peace with all foods, and those foods are probably not the salads.

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Ela Law: Do you see what I mean? They are probably the foods, like the burgers and the chips, and all of the things that we're being told not to eat by that culture. So, come the summer, and they actually crave a salad, that might feel really.

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Christine Chessman: Challenging.

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Christine Chessman: But not all salads are the same. No. You know what I mean? So there are salads with the side of dressing over there, or you have a creamy sea salad with chicken and croutons and… Of course.

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Ela Law: I'm using a salad as an example of a sort of the… I'm talking about the very boring.

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Christine Chessman: But what I'm saying is you can still choose…

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Christine Chessman: In a similar way. So you can choose, rather than the light green salad, you can choose, kind of, a more…

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Christine Chessman: Do you know what I mean? Sort of one that is a bit… maybe has been a bit scary to you in the past, if you're on that route of sort of

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Christine Chessman: and eating, sort of, foods that you've been a bit scared of in the past. Yeah. There's still opportunity in summer, but yes, absolutely, it's…

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Christine Chessman: Much more… it's much easier to not, and get stuck in a rut and just be…

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Ela Law: And only because we're in the summer doesn't mean that our body suddenly needs less energy. It's more of a… it's more of an appetite kind of thing, and we might need a similar amount of calories and energy, because we're doing the same kind of thing.

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Christine Chessman: sweating more.

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Ela Law: And sweating buckets, so, you know, it's very important to stay hydrated, for sure. So you might find that you're still getting hungry, but maybe you're getting hungry later in the day when it's cooler, and that in and of itself can be really challenging. So, yeah, it's just an invitation to anyone listening to notice what happens to you when.

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Ela Law: Your speed dials up, and your appetite might dial down, and what kind of thoughts come up, and what kind of things might be going on.

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Christine Chessman: No, I really… I like that, and I'm gonna think about… because it's only been the last few days that we've had this thing. It is definitely… I think we were having, for lunch, we were having, like, sandwich with…

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Christine Chessman: falafel and all of this, and it felt too heavy. I felt like this is… I want a salad with, like, fresh spaghett on the side. That's kind of what I want, but yeah, I'm gonna pay attention. But, on that note, do you ever think… so, in terms of this mindfulness piece.

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Christine Chessman: With salads, with all different types of food, do you find that, obviously, textures are quite important, aren't they, when you're…

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Christine Chessman: There's something for me, I like crunch. I can't just have a yogurt, I like a bit of crunch in my yogurt. Does that make sense?

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Christine Chessman: So, and that's just a… I also would invite people to notice what texture of food they like.

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Christine Chessman: Do you know what I mean? If it's soft, if it's creamy, if it's crunchy, if it's…

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Christine Chessman: you know, all of that, because I find that that can be quite calming in certain times, or it can be quite… apparently it's quite good if you're feeling in, like, sort of freeze mode, to eat something crunchy.

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Christine Chessman: Just…

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Christine Chessman: You know, wake up the nervous system a little bit.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, and that's just another invitation to take your time and notice, and this is part of intuitive eating, not just punishing yourself and eating the most

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Christine Chessman: you know, the lowest calorie option on the menu, but it's actually what do I crave? Do I crave creamy, crunchy.

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Christine Chessman: Liquid, so what do you actually want to eat?

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Ela Law: It is hard, yeah, it is… and also because it feels like it's a bit narrowed down, because…

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Ela Law: You know, if we sort of discount all of those foods that are a bit more stodgy and heavier, because we really don't fancy them, the choices that we have of getting a little bit…

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, but then, is it not… okay, this is… I do have this struggle. I don't like pasta.

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Christine Chessman: I really don't like pasta.

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Christine Chessman: And I don't like potatoes.

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Ela Law: We could not live together, because we literally live on pasta here.

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Christine Chessman: Well, the thing is, we're trying to sort of normalize food in the household.

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Christine Chessman: So I'm eating a lot of pasta, because, you know, I'm just eating what is made.

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Christine Chessman: No, but I don't want the pasta. I don't want the potatoes, I don't want the pasta. And that is not a…

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Christine Chessman: diet culture thing for me. That is just a food preference thing. I could eat any type of bread you give me, I will eat it. I am not against carbs, I love carbs, but I don't like pasta.

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Ela Law: pasta, fair enough. Is it a texture thing for you?

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Christine Chessman: It's a texture thing for me, ADHD, blah. But, you know, my family just think I'm really annoying and picky and have diet issues, diet culture issues, and I'm like, I don't, I just don't like.

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Ela Law: Just don't like that.

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Christine Chessman: I'll eat it if I have to, but I don't like it. And I think it's also just noticing what… because I think, obviously, sometimes you just gotta eat for sustenance, for fuel, all of that. I do like to eat what I like where I can.

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Christine Chessman: Pardon me?

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah. And if you can, that's great. I mean, that's part of it, isn't it? And it's a privilege to be able to do that.

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Ela Law: And then we have to make the best of what we've got. I mean, you can always add something crunchy to it. I've discovered crunchy chili. Have you heard that? Do you like spicy food?

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Christine Chessman: I do, I do.

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Ela Law: Oh my god, get yourself a jar of crunchy chili, and you will never look back. You can put that on your pasta if that then improves the texture, you might like it a bit better.

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Ela Law: God is the best.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, I think maybe it's a sensor… it's definitely a texture thing for me,

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Christine Chessman: maybe I'll have a think about that, but…

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Christine Chessman: Before we wrap up today, I know we've mined a bit, which is quite normal, but I want to say, too, in terms of the movement piece.

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Christine Chessman: This is something that really pisses me off beyond. It is this no-excuses mindset. It is frigging heatwave central, the hottest temperature we've ever had in May on record. So please moderate your movement.

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Christine Chessman: I do not… do not go out midday for a big run. No.

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Christine Chessman: Do not, do not. If you're… if you have to, keep it short and extra liquid, extra hydration, and just, yeah, just tune it into your body, because it's…

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Christine Chessman: And I had, I had a group this morning who came to my house, and both people who arrived for kettlebells were like, I'm exhausted, just… can we just, like, lie on the mat and do something? So, I said, yes, because I'm exhausted too.

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Christine Chessman: We just lay on the mat and did triceps and did, sort of, close to the ground, but I… that's what I needed.

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Christine Chessman: So don't expect to follow. If you're on a plan of, you know, crazy workouts four times a week, don't expect to follow them to the letter. Especially if you're in a location that is not air-conditioned.

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Christine Chessman: and it's incredibly hot, and you've not slept because of the heat, etc, etc. So, it's something that I feel incredibly strongly about. You don't… every week doesn't have to look the same with movement.

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Christine Chessman: You've got to really tune in to how your body's feeling with the heat.

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Christine Chessman: And just… Moderate it a bit.

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Ela Law: Definitely. I'm so glad you said that, because I was going to ask you about what would you… what would you recommend, because we don't… we don't tend to tell people what to do, but this is actually a health and safety announcement.

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Christine Chessman: It is.

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Ela Law: And I did see people run in the midday heat, and I thought, what are you doing to yourself? That isn't… that's not good for your body. Your body is completely, it's just overheating. It's… it just… it looked dangerous to me.

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Christine Chessman: This is… I have a running group on a Wednesday at 5, and I… I said to them, we're cancelling tomorrow because it's to be another scorcher on the season. There's no shade where we run.

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Ela Law: Even at 5 o'clock, it's too hot still.

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Christine Chessman: It really is. I don't want to… it's like the health and safety thing. Even if people could do it and would be fine, I don't want to put them at any risk.

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Ela Law: No.

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Christine Chessman: So I just thought, well, you know, next week it'll be raining and freezing, let's do.

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Ela Law: But when England, of course it will be.

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Christine Chessman: But it is… it's part of this whole piece that ties all in together. Summer brings up stuff for

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Christine Chessman: In terms of body image, in terms of nutrition, exercise, all of that complicated things. There's a lot flying around in your head.

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Christine Chessman: So just be kind to yourselves, and just take a pause, and think, is this me, or is this diet culture coming at me?

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Ela Law: Yes.

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Christine Chessman: You know what I mean? What are your final parting words?

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Ela Law: No, let's not meet, because you nutshelled that beautifully. That was, like, the best nutshell ever.

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Christine Chessman: So, thank you.

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Ela Law: That's exactly it, yes. I have nothing to add to that, that was beautiful.

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Christine Chessman: Brilliant. But everybody stay hydrated, take care of yourselves. By next week, it'll be raining and back to 14 again.

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Ela Law: Yep, and we'll be wearing jumpers and.

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Christine Chessman: We'll be wearing jumpers, so just take it easy this week. Lots of love. Thank you for listening. Oh, we've got really good guests next week. We've got Deb Benfiend from Unapologetic Aging. She just wrote a book on it, and she's amazing. So I'll put that in the show notes, but yeah, tune in next week to listen to her.

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Ela Law: Bye! Stay cool!

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Christine Chessman: Bye!