Intuitive Eating isn't for everyone.

We've been thinking a lot lately about intuitive eating and whether it really is for everyone. There's so much confusion and misinformation out there, and we wanted to take a moment to cut through some of that. 

At its heart, Intuitive eating isn't a diet, a religion, or a set of rigid rules to follow — it's a flexible framework designed to help you find freedom and peace around food. 

The more we work with different clients, the more we believe that almost everyone can find an entry point into it, regardless of where they're starting from. Whether you're recovering from disordered eating, navigating a busy family life, working within a tight budget, or simply trying to untangle years of diet culture messaging — there is something here for you. These are our key takeaways from that conversation.

5 Key Takeaways

1. Intuitive eating is a flexible framework, not a set of rules. A major source of confusion is people treating it as either a "hunger and fullness diet" or a free pass to eat whatever you want at all times. In reality, it's a guide with 10 different focus areas that can be adapted to your individual circumstances and needs.
2. Some principles may not be accessible to everyone right now — and that's okay. People recovering from eating disorders, those who are neurodivergent, or those with limited food access may find certain aspects harder to engage with. The key is to work with the principles that are available to you and park the others for later.
3. Structure and intuitive eating can coexist. You don't have to eat only when hunger strikes to be an intuitive eater. Having a loose meal schedule (especially helpful for ADHD brains that forget to eat) is entirely compatible — the intuitive part comes in making choices within that structure.
4. Joyful movement follows the same logic. The movement principle isn't about doing minimal exercise or punishing yourself — it's about regularly asking yourself why you're moving and how you want to feel. This is accessible to everyone, regardless of ability or fitness level.
5. Intuitive eating is not a weight loss tool. Your body has a natural set point range, and eating intuitively means allowing it to settle where it functions best — which may not align with cultural ideals. The goal is freedom around food and self-compassion, not a specific body size.

So, don't dismiss it or give up on it, rather, explore where your entry point to intuitive eating might be and start there!

Things we mentioned in the episode:

Sandra Aamodt Ted Talk on set point theory: Why Dieting Doesn't Work https://youtu.be/jn0Ygp7pMbA?si=Lm6yBsFplo1L1M2Q

Evelyn Tribole and Elyse Resch - Intuitive Eating book and worksbook https://www.intuitiveeating.org/our-books/

Transcript

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Christine Chessman: Hello.

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Ela Law: How are you? We're both tired, aren't we?

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, we're okay. Welcome to all you lovely listeners here.

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Ela Law: Yes.

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Christine Chessman: for, like, a bit of a pep. Pep up, and we're going, ugh.

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Ela Law: Yeah, exactly, exactly. Right, okay, let's bring the energy up a little bit.

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Ela Law: We spoke about something really interesting today, aren't we?

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, we're just tired and hormonal, and we like to keep it real, so that's all we're saying. And we're now old and tired and hormonal.

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Ela Law: Old and tired and humble. I mean, it just keeps getting better.

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Christine Chessman: Embracing, embracing, Ori.

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Ela Law: Totally. Also, if you are feeling like we are today, you might just want to snuggle up on your sofa and listen to this.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, grab some gopherd.

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Ela Law: for a run? Exactly.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, so, Ella, do you want to introduce the topic today?

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Ela Law: Shall I? Yes, so this is based on a conversation we had, recently, about intuitive eating and whether it is for everyone or not.

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Ela Law: And that kind of triggered us to have a chat about… Anyone who watches this on YouTube, we had just a beautiful yawn. That's okay. I lost my train of thought now, so…

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Ela Law: Intuitive eating, is it for everyone or not? And I think that that sort of triggered a conversation between Christine and me about that, you know, is it or is it not? And we both think that that statement, that intuitive eating isn't for everyone, is a

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Ela Law: based on basically misunderstanding what intuitive eating is. So we thought we would talk to you about it, so that A we can maybe explain intuitive eating a little bit better, and, you know, for whom it is really appropriate, for whom there might be some

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Ela Law: disclaimers, or some sort of slight, detours around it, and, you know, what it actually means when we are…

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Ela Law: saying the words intuitive eating, what does that actually include and doesn't include?

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Christine Chessman: So what's.

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Ela Law: What's your view on it, being an intuitive eater?

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Christine Chessman: I don't want to be, like, you know, I feel like it's not a religion, it's not like you believe in it, or you don't, and it's not like we're trying to convert you to, you know, Christianity, or… we're not trying to be evangelical. What we're trying to say is there's a lot of myths out there, or there's a lot of misinformation around intuitive eating, and I'd like everybody listening to be in

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Christine Chessman: Formed, as opposed to kind of…

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Christine Chessman: carry misconception around about what it is, because then you can decide if it's for you or not, as we're talking about. So, yeah, we're both intuitive eating counsellors. Ella works much more in that vein than I do, though, don't you, Bella?

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Ela Law: Yes, yeah, basically, yeah, I'm missing the, exercise PT kind of element that you have. Yeah, and I…

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Christine Chessman: Well, I mean, we'll both… we probably have slightly different ways of talking about it, but I see it as… so Evelyn Tribolis and Elise Resch have both been on the show.

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Christine Chessman: They were the co-creators, co-founders of intuitive eating back in the day. Please read the book if you get a chance, absolutely brilliant. The workbook is fantastic if you like a bit of practical application. But it is a framework, it is not rules.

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Ela Law: It's not…

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Christine Chessman: You must do this, you must do it in order. No, no, no, no. No. It's a guide.

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Christine Chessman: to how you can break the diet cycle and get off the diet trend, stop chronic dieting, or if you've had disordered eating. I mean, if you've had an eating disorder, obviously, you've got to work in recovery before you would come to intuitive eating, but we can talk about that further on. But it is just a way of finding freedom around food, satisfaction around food.

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Christine Chessman: And feeling more at ease with exercise, not punishing yourself all the time, respecting your body, and having more fun, basically.

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Ela Law: Yeah, beautifully, beautifully summarized. Yeah, I totally agree. I think, we need to see it as a framework and not a set of rules, and I think that's where people

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Ela Law: get it maybe slightly wrong and misinterpreted. I know that a lot of people think of intuitive eating mostly in terms of hunger and fullness, eat when you're hungry, stop when you're full, which is absolutely part of it, but also it's something that maybe isn't

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Ela Law: as accessible to some people. And I wanna… I wanna maybe start with that, because I think that is, in my view, is probably the biggest misinterpretation of intuitive eating, that you see it as simply the fullness, hunger and fullness.

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Ela Law: diet, almost, that you can only eat when you're hungry, and you have to stop when you're full, which is basically a set of rules. Now, if you are recovering from an eating disorder, you may, for a long time, not have access to hunger and fullness signals, or you might have some signals that

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Ela Law: Likewise, if you're neurodivergent, tapping into those signals might not be accessible for you, might not ever be accessible to you, and therefore, I want to sort of step away from hunger and fullness a little bit, and say there are 10 principles in the intuitive eating framework

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Ela Law: whilst maybe 2 of them don't really fit with what you're… what you're… where you're at at the moment, there are 8 others that we can look at, and maybe work on. And…

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Ela Law: I think that's why I take slight, issue with the statement that intuitive eating isn't for everyone. Yes, on a very binary basis, there might be aspects of intuitive eating that are maybe not appropriate for you right this moment in time.

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Ela Law: But there's a huge amount of other stuff that you can work on.

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Christine Chessman: Yes, and I would say that I understand some people see it as the hunger and fullness diet, but another population of people see it as eat whatever you want, as long.

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Christine Chessman: all the time. Eat all the donuts, and keep eating all the donuts.

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Christine Chessman: Absolutely not what it is. No. And I had another misconception, which you might share yourself, was that, I don't have time to eat intuitively, I'm too busy.

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Christine Chessman: I can't cook what I want every night, I've got to cook meaning for the family.

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Christine Chessman: It's a very valid point, but you can still be intuitive within that.

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Ela Law: Being intuitive within your bandwidth, within your… whatever constraints you have. So, I… that's a really good point. I had, for example, I had a client who… who just basically said, I haven't got the money to eat what I want all the time. I just can't afford, you know, I want… I want that, but I can't go out and buy it.

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Ela Law: So, there are certain things that, you know, that you are dealing with that might make it harder to work on particular areas, but within that constraint, you can still work on it, and you can pick out some of the principles that

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Ela Law: You know, it is a privilege, total privilege, to be able to buy food and have a selection of different foods, and choose what you fancy in the moment.

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Ela Law: And I would say the majority of people are just not able to do that, either, as I said, for financial reasons, but also, maybe there's no access. Maybe you haven't got a nice, you know, whole food shop around the corner when you want to go and buy yourself something, like a really nice ready meal, or whatever you want. You might not have that access to that. So, you know, within that constraint, you can still work on

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Ela Law: your intuition on, you know, making peace with food, working against diet culture mentality, finding body acceptance. There's all sorts of different things that you can still access, even though some of those things might not be accessible. Would that make sense?

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Christine Chessman: Taken the morality out of it, isn't it?

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Christine Chessman: Food foods, bad food, you know, junk foods, this is… you kind of think… and as we know, all food has nutrition.

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Christine Chessman: Do you know what I mean? Even those little bars, even the protein bars.

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Christine Chessman: killer protein bars. You know, every bit of food has some nutrition, and some foods are more nutrient dense than others, but it doesn't mean that they're bad.

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Christine Chessman: There's no morality attached.

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Ela Law: Thank you, girl.

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Christine Chessman: I feel satisfied when I finish a meal.

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Christine Chessman: And, you know, I like a bit of sweet after my dinner.

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Christine Chessman: I'll keep searching all night until I get… if I go to somebody's house for a few days, I'm like, and there's no chocolate after the meal, I'm like, I'm not ready to go to bed yet.

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Ela Law: You need to, you need to find new friends, love.

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Christine Chessman: something which is designed to bring free… it's evidence-based, and there's more and more studies being done all the time.

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Christine Chessman: But it is basically about giving yourself permission to eat food, as we did when we were kids, before diet culture got the best.

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Christine Chessman: And, you know, we've spent decades trying to fit an ideal, and trying to be good, and eat like.

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Christine Chessman: arrows, and not eat too much, and not be greedy, and not… all these words, and all these connotations that it has. Yeah. And it is hard. It is hard, because diet culture keeps knocking at the door. Yep. And we're very much swimming upstream, but if you actually have freedom around food, it is a gift.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah. Something which… You have to work on, especially if you've come from a disordered background.

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Christine Chessman: But, it is worth it. So, to be able to go to a cafe with your friend and not go, oh, I shouldn't have that, just to actually go, what looks nice?

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Christine Chessman: Yeah. And not sit there going, oh, I shouldn't have eaten at a burger for a run now. Just actually enjoying it, enjoying chatting with your friend, eating some cake, or whatever you want to eat. That is a gift.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah. You know, that's why I feel so strongly about it, because so many of us walk around constantly counting and compensating and…

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Ela Law: Yeah, definitely, definitely. Yeah, and in terms of,

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Ela Law: There's something you said earlier, I can't quite… I can't quite remember what you said, but that made me… made me think of the,

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Ela Law: The flexibility and the freedom that we have when we give ourselves permission is one thing. It's not…

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Ela Law: Always all of it, though, and I just want to say it in the sense of disordered eating and eating disorders. When you are coming from a place of very severely disordered eating, or you're suffering from a restrictive eating disorder, I'm just using that as an example.

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Ela Law: Sometimes you need a period of time where you have that framework of structure around a meal plan.

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Ela Law: you need that to get back to a level where your brain works, so that it can make decisions, where you are in a place where you can tune into your body. When you are severely calorie-restricted and in a deficit, your brain isn't really working the way that it can and should, and therefore, you may need the structure of a meal plan to get you back to that, so it's like feeding you back to

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Ela Law: a place where, you know, you can function properly. In that sense, yes, intuitive eating.

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Ela Law: in the sense of, I'm picking stuff when I'm hungry, when I need to eat food, is not going to work for you. You need something in addition. While you're doing that.

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Ela Law: There's no reason why you can't work on making peace with food, or rejecting the diet culture, or, trying to tap into your belief system.

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Ela Law: But I think that's where people kind of feel like, actually, no, if you are suffering from an eating disorder, intuitive eating cannot be used for you. And I hear a lot of dietitians talk about it like that, but when you speak to Elise Resch, for example, she's a massive advocate for using intuitive eating principles whilst recovering from an eating disorder, so…

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, and it is, you know, if you've… I quite like an, you know, ADHD thing, but I quite like a bit of structure, so I like to.

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Christine Chessman: of breakfast, lunch, dinner, and maybe snacks, you know? I like to think of it like that, rather than thinking, what do I want to eat now? What do I want… I just like to think… but then for every snack or meal, I go.

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Christine Chessman: what would I like? What, you know, am I hungry? Am I not hungry? What's going on with… do you know what I mean? But I still like a tiny bit of structure.

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Ela Law: And I think you're not alone. I think it is really, really helpful, especially if you're… if you're someone who would very easily forget to eat, then having that structure and saying, okay, I'm gonna eat then, then, and then, roughly.

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Ela Law: And then within that constraint of timing, you're gonna choose what do I fancy? Do I fancy something sweet, something savory, something cold, something warm, whatever it might be. And there is the flexibility. The flexibility isn't necessarily, oh, I'm gonna eat when I feel like it.

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Ela Law: Yeah, exactly. Which, for an ADHD brain, could be nothing until lunchtime, and then maybe a quick snack, and then nothing until dinner time, because you're so engrossed in something, or you just forget to eat. That's not going to be helpful for you, but saying, I'm going to eat at those times, and then I'll see what I fancy, that's…

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Ela Law: Brilliant, that's flexible, that's, you know.

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Ela Law: Gives you that freedom within a bit of structure.

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Christine Chessman: And it also is that thing that if I get too hungry, it's not a good sensation for me anyway, so I don't enjoy that feeling, so I want to make sure I eat regularly, so I like to eat regularly.

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Christine Chessman: So it is, but what I'm saying is, as you say, there's no hard and fast rules.

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Christine Chessman: It's just about actually tuning in, which takes time, takes time, takes time, but noticing, okay, maybe I ate too much there, or maybe I didn't eat quite enough because I'm still a bit hungry.

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Christine Chessman: thinking, I've had my breakfast, but an hour later, I still feel really hungry. Maybe I'll have something else.

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Christine Chessman: I'm not going, oh, but I had breakfast an hour and a half

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Christine Chessman: I can't possibly eat. No, you can't, because you're hungry.

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Christine Chessman: And it is… you might notice hunger in many, many ways. You might just feel a bit lethargic, you might feel… there's many ways… there's many ways to notice hunger, rather than your tummy rumbling. It doesn't happen for everybody.

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Christine Chessman: And it's just getting to know yourself in terms of

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Christine Chessman: High food fiends when you eat regular intervals, you know?

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Ela Law: Yeah, definitely. And I think that, again, is a really good example for someone who hasn't got access to the physical sensations of hunger to look at, well, what other

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Ela Law: what other signs are there that you might be hungry? You know, lack of concentration. I know I've worked with someone who felt terribly sad when they got too hungry.

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Ela Law: Yeah, they got… they almost got a little bit tearful, they felt really low, and I'm like, could that be because you're hungry? When's the last time you ate? And they're like, oh.

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Ela Law: You know, it's all sorts of other things that, even if the physical side of things isn't accessible, you can probably tap into that for, you know…

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Christine Chessman: And, you know, it's about that as well, building back that trust with your body. If you have gone for years of restriction, and your body has never really known where the next meal is coming from, or…

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Christine Chessman: You know what I mean, and your metabolism's going all over the place. If you can just build back the trust and to do that, you need to eat regularly.

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Christine Chessman: So that can be part of the beginning of your journey, is just actually feeding yourself at regular intervals.

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Christine Chessman: So your body gets to know, oh yeah, I'm gonna be alright, I'm being fed regularly, it's okay, we can go, that's alright.

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Ela Law: Yeah, exactly. In terms of movement, is there… do you… would you say there are some people for whom that

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Ela Law: principle, movement, feel-a-difference principle, isn't accessible. Would you say there is some… something that might make people think, oh, intuitive eating isn't for me because I can't tick the movement box, sort of thing?

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Christine Chessman: And it's about how you look. It's about… or you're just used to punishing yourself through exercise, so it can be really difficult to feel the difference.

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Christine Chessman: actually enjoy moving, or choose movement that is not so punishing, that's a very hard thing, especially if you come from… we had Caroline Toshak on, whose episode is going to come out in a few weeks, but she very much was an athlete.

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Christine Chessman: That's a really hard thing to find, then, a balance with movement after that.

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Christine Chessman: And a bit less punishment in movement, so that's definitely one that you can work with. I don't think… I never thought, oh, that's something people can't do. I think you can work on it. Yeah. I'm not there yet all the time, and I have to keep asking myself, how am I feeling?

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Ela Law: it can look so… can look so different for different people. Movement for some people might be, going for a gentle walk, or doing some stretches. For some people, it might be lifting weights, whatever it might be, or dancing, or whatever. And I think…

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Ela Law: on a flexible kind of level, you give yourself more permission to feel what it feels like, rather than you just go down that route of, I'm training this for this, and I'm doing this, and I'm doing that, and getting into this mindset of, I'm doing it for weight loss, I'm doing it

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Ela Law: just because I feel I have to, and you're punishing yourself. So, I think…

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Ela Law: Yeah, I probably agree with you that everyone can work with that principle on some level.

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Christine Chessman: it doesn't mean… so it doesn't mean that I'm not… I don't just do what I fancy all the time. I very much… it's like the gentle nutrition. There's gentle structure in my movie routine, because I want to take care of my joints, and I.

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Christine Chessman: I mean, I want to keep moving as long as possible. I like to challenge myself, I like to train for things, I like to… that's all okay, but it is building in that flexibility, and that self-care, and that… Yeah. What is your why, thinking about why you're doing it, how your body's feeling, and paying attention to that, rather than just pushing through.

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah, definitely, but I think that that might not be accessible for everybody, because if you have a disability, or you're, like, you sit in a wheelchair, or you have some health issues, that kind of pushing might not be available, and that's why I mentioned, you know, just gentle stuff.

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Christine Chessman: That can be yoga, that can be gentle exercise, that you meet yourself where you're at, you don't… do you know what I mean?

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Christine Chessman: There are people and think you should be doing that, you should be doing that.

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Ela Law: It's you, it's about you.

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Christine Chessman: Do you know what I mean? And it is… so it's… to me, I've never thought, oh, that's something people can't work with.

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Christine Chessman: It's not easy all the time. Everybody can have a look at how they move, and really ask themselves why they're doing it, and do they enjoy it? Do they have any fun in it? Could they do other stuff? If it didn't make a difference to their bodies, would they still move in the same way?

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Christine Chessman: How do you want to feel when you move? Do you want to feel energized? Do you want to feel… do you know what I mean? Excited? Do you want to feel less tired? How do you want to feel? I think those questions we don't think about asking.

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Ela Law: No, no, exactly. And everyone, as you said, everyone can ask those questions.

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Christine Chessman: And just as much as intuitive eating is not by eating all the donuts all the time.

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Christine Chessman: You know, a joyful movement is not about just doing a little bit of movement for 5 minutes.

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Christine Chessman: See, it can be any sort of… there's a spectrum. You might be an athlete, you can still move intuitively, do you know what I mean? Still build that in.

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Christine Chessman: you know, it's not an all or nothing, because that's the exact opposite of what we're trying. Everybody is different when it comes to movement, but it is about tuning in and asking yourself how you feel very regularly, and how you want to feel.

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Christine Chessman: is this punishing? Is this… is this helping me? Is this hurting me? Is it too much for me? Am I exhausted? Am I enjoying it? What am I… it is asking questions which you never thought to ask yourself.

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Ela Law: Yeah, exactly. And that's exactly what I was trying to get to. Everyone can do that, regardless of where their starting point is, or where they're at health-wise, and mobility-wise, and all of that. Everyone can do that. And that leads nicely into, you know, the honor your health with gentle nutrition kind of part, because

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Ela Law: That is one of those things that can very easily be misused and used as a set of rules. And I think, again, this is open to misinterpretation, because if you…

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Ela Law: take the structure, or the idea of nutritional information, and make it into a framework that isn't flexible. So, whilst, absolutely, intuitive eating isn't about just eating donuts all the time, although you have full permission to do that, but you will actually notice, and this is when you, like you said, when you ask yourself questions, how does that make me feel?

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Ela Law: the, honoring your health with gentle nutrition part comes in, because if you do that, you will notice, I'm 100% certain, that you're not feeling great.

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Ela Law: you know, you have authority to do whatever you want, but the structure starts by noticing what feels good in your body and what doesn't feel good in your body. So you build your own little structure with a lot of flexibility in there. Does that make any sense, or does that just make sense in my head?

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Christine Chessman: No, it makes a huge amount of sense, and it is also… if you are celiac, you can still eat and drink.

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Christine Chessman: It is… it is… it's a framework. It's… guidelines are… mainly is about you feeling.

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Christine Chessman: full? Am I too full? Am I… you know, and it's all okay, so it's all just a learning process.

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Christine Chessman: the rest of her life.

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Christine Chessman: Okay, now I'm a intuitive eater. We're all just trying.

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Christine Chessman: It's all okay. And sometimes I eat too little, sometimes I eat too much, and that's all okay.

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Christine Chessman: Sometimes I eat because I want to have the cake, and that's fine. And sometimes I don't eat the cake, and that's also fine. And it is just because knowing why, and not… do you know what I mean? It's a very different thing. It's kind of… you have that permission.

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Christine Chessman: I feel like we could talk about it for hours, to be honest, because it's such a big time.

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Ela Law: Yeah, but I think.

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Ela Law: We will probably repeat what we've been saying all along, because it is… it is, in a nutshell, it is very much about intuitive eating can be for everybody.

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Ela Law: because it is about tuning in, it's about asking yourself questions. It's not about following a set of rules, it's not about… yes, it is a framework with guidance, but it doesn't mean that they're set in stone, and there's flexibility within that, and there should be flexibility within your bandwidth of

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Ela Law: you know, what can I work with, and what may I want to park for a little while. So I think it is… yeah, I think that's.

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Christine Chessman: And it's like, you know, there's some so… there's things that are so joyful, I tell you. It's worth… it's… you know, going to… I always… I remember the first time I went to a bakery and just went, I could have anything here. I have to just look at what I think is healthy.

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Christine Chessman: eat literally whatever I want, whatever is drawing me in. I can buy it, and I can eat it. And it is…

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Ela Law: Isn't that amazing?

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Christine Chessman: for somebody who's had disordered eating and eating disorders, that is a very hard thing to come by. Yeah. And working through the workbook and, you know, and doing the course itself really helps.

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Christine Chessman: And it's still a work in progress, but there is an access point for everyone, and to be honest, you're probably doing a bit of it already, because those days where you go on holiday and eat all the bread and cheese in France, you come back, you don't want bread and cheese for a while. Naturally, you don't want it, because you're like, I'm a bit done with that, I feel like I need some fresh…

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Christine Chessman: salads and fruit. You kind of naturally do that, don't you?

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Ela Law: No, no, but what he says is spot on. It's exactly that, and it's not always a conscious thing. And I think, invitation to anyone listening to maybe reflect on when that has happened to you, I would bet that most people listening to this will have had that experience, where they're like, you know, all-you-can-eat buffet. Next day, maybe you just fancied a fruit salad, or something lighter, or something

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Ela Law: you know, process, or whatever it is. And again, there's no good or bad foods in this, but your body might tell you, actually, that was delicious.

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Ela Law: But today, you know, I had enough of that, I want something different, something that brings back a little bit of balance into, you know, the system. So…

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Christine Chessman: 100%. So people are probably already sensing that, but you maybe just go, just ignore it and do what you think you should do.

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Christine Chessman: And it's just always gone, hmm, hold on, why am I… and it is that sort of… you can… yeah, we'll talk about it more, but I wanted to talk before we leave about the weight loss thing, so the fact that in Germany it was translated into.

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the title was, something along the lines of losing weight intuitively. And it was… it was not because Elise Resch and Evelyn Triboli wanted it to be translated like that. It's the publisher who decided that would sell more copies.

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Christine Chessman: But, there is some people… I have a number of clients, so when I used to work more in the intuitive eating food, I had a number of clients that were so worried about gaining weight.

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Christine Chessman: I don't feel comfortable. I… the whole idea is eventually getting in tune. Your body kind of finding its happy place, because it's getting what it needs.

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Christine Chessman: Rather than what you are trying to give it as little as possible to fit into whatever size you need to fit in, or to… do you know what I mean? You're actually giving it what it craves, what it needs, what it…

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Christine Chessman: And there is a set point range for everybody, and we've done this, there's a really good YouTube video on it, which I'll put in the show notes, but the idea is the more you diet and restrict, you've got a set point range, which is about, I don't know, up to about 15 pounds, or something like that.

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Christine Chessman: And it naturally will go up a little bit every time you lose weight, you put on the weight, you lose weight, because that's what your body is being very smart and trying to protect you against common and all of that. But we all have a set point range, and that might not be where we want to be.

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Ela Law: naturally tuning in and stopping where we feel full. There's one little disclaimer there for some people who may be, having ADHD.

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Ela Law: symptoms who are dopamine hunters. Some people find food the easiest way to get a dopamine hit, and therefore find it incredibly hard to stop eating. Yes.

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Ela Law: Again, that doesn't mean intuitive eating isn't for you. That just means maybe we can focus on where else can you get your dopamine from? That would work. So, we talked a little bit about that with Caroline Toshak in the episode that's coming out, later this month, but it's…

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Ela Law: Again, that doesn't mean… if that sort of resonates with you, that doesn't mean intuitive eating isn't for you, it just means that maybe we need to approach it from a slightly different angle than just noticing, when you feel full.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah. And it's incre… but if you are in the middle of an eating disorder, as we would say, please go seek out a professional and get some help. And this can be a way, like, the bridge from that recovery treatment, then, back to kind of normal eating, but it is not a…

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Ela Law: Yeah. Also, luckily, there are lots of dietitians now that are trained in intuitive eating counselling, so you, if you find yourself in need of quite specialist kind of support, you will be able to find someone who has been trained in intuitive eating, but can also support you

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Ela Law: Because that way, you start your path with intuitive eating, even whilst you are in the middle of an eating disorder.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah, well, that's great, that's great advice. You're very good, Ella, well done.

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Ela Law: So are you, right. We nutshelled, I think we talked.

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Ela Law: Yeah, well, I think so.

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Christine Chessman: I just see it as, if I say my nutshell.

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Ela Law: Go on.

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Christine Chessman: like, feeling like this is where my body wants to be, and I'm being kind to it, and I'm also being kind to myself. You know, it is that nice symbiotic…

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: relationship that you're actually… and the only thing that I struggled with is that my body wanted to be a couple of sizes bigger than I wanted it to be.

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Ela Law: Yeah. Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: But, that's what it wanted, and that was where I'm at my healthiest and happiest.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: But there's where the work is, so I'm… we're not trying to sell it as, oh, you're gonna not put on any weight, and you…

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Christine Chessman: You might.

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Ela Law: We have no idea what's gonna happen, right?

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Christine Chessman: You might put weight on, you might not put weight on, you might lose weight. There… we cannot…

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Christine Chessman: Cannot sew. Cannot sew. Sorry. Go ahead.

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Ela Law: Oh, sorry. Oh, shall I nutshell as well? I just… I might not nutshell, because I've kind of done that earlier, but I would say, don't write it off.

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Christine Chessman: Right off, yeah.

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Ela Law: I think… just think about where you're at. Maybe just get in touch with an intuitive eating coach, counselor, dietitian, and… and have a session.

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Ela Law: Or have a chat, and see where intuitive eating could be… what entry point might be there for you. Because it is… everyone can benefit from it, everybody.

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Ela Law: I'm 100% convinced of that, and I'm not saying that just because I work in the field. I really do believe that with all my heart, and I think

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Ela Law: don't let anyone tell you, oh, yeah, but it's not for you, because of X, Y, and Z, because it can be. And there's so much, there's so much about it, there's 10 principles, there's so many different aspects.

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Christine Chessman: And I don't even like the word principles, because it is… it is a very flexible…

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah, maybe they need to change that.

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Christine Chessman: I mean?

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Ela Law: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Christine Chessman: Because it is… it's about leading with self-compassion.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: And finding that flexibility to fit in with your life, so it is.

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Ela Law: Yeah.

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Christine Chessman: Yeah. But I, yeah, anyway, go have a look. We're gonna put some resources in the show notes. Yeah. And don't write it off. You know.

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Ela Law: You might…

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Christine Chessman: Just dip in and have a look and see what you think, and let us know. That would be amazing.

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Ela Law: Exactly, and if you found this helpful, share it, download it, talk about it. That's kind of our bread and butter. We are not getting sponsorship for this, we're not getting paid for this, so, the way that you can support us is by sharing this episode, and sharing the podcast, and reviewing it.

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Ela Law: Thank you!

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Christine Chessman: Absolutely. Thank you, Ella. Thank you all.

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Ela Law: Thank you, Christine!

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Christine Chessman: And we shall see you next time!

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Ela Law: Bye-bye!